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I think the government has to get involved in issues such as the seatbelt law. Nobody personally owns the streets. We are driving down public streets, freeways, and roads. When numerous of people are involved in a situation, there has to be rules and regulations that apply to everybody. The seatbelt law not only protects people from being ejected and others from the ejected person or persons but it aids in preventing other people from becoming a part of the accident by running over the ejected person, swerving to miss the ejected person, from children having to view the bloody body of the ejected person, from paramedics having to clean up the intestines of an ejected person. When a person is ejected there is a lot more police reports to be filled out. If the person is killed upon ejection, the street, freeway, etc... usually will be shut down until the coroner can come and claim the body causing numerous delays, especially here on California freeways. An ejected body can close a freeway for many hours. It personally isn't strange to me. I believe that all drivers need to have the courtesy to buckle up and because many do not, then it has to be enforced. An ejected body on a public road effects more then the ejected person. I do not want my child to witness a person being ejected through the air and then seeing them crushed by other cars because this person made the choice to not where their belt. Like I said, I think it is also a courtesy issue.
As far as the home, I agree completely. The home is a private place, completely seperate from the world. We may not own it or our children in the true sense of ownership but we have a claim on them. This is the place where we have or should have more freedom of choice. Except in a case where there is proof of child abuse then I think they need to intervene.
It can be difficult to find a medium for all these. We do live in a world that is crumbling at our feet but I do not blame all on government. We have a lack of honorable parents in this world who lack integrity and Jesus. Before people stepped into government they were raised by mommys and daddys. Many of the views they hold now were taught to them. I am a firm believer that things start in the home, they leave the home, and then make there way back again through the government.
I do not know where everybody here is religiously but I think before anything we need to be on bended knee praying for guidance and then share the gospel with others. In the end all that is going to matter is if a person has a relationship with Christ or not. Then we can make our way into politics and do what we are inabled to do, attempting to make a positive impact for what really matter Jesus and our children's future.
God bless!!!
Patty

 

Patty, I like you even though I disagree ! We have so many laws that are good and need to be enforced, but it seems everyone is busy trying to enforce the dumb ones. And a seatbelt law in my mind is a dumb one. If we didn't have it, I'd make my kids buckle up, and so would I. But that is my CHOICE. My kids wear bike helmets, and I do not. That is also my CHOICE. Sure, an ejected person can shut down the freeway. But it also shuts down the freeway to remove a body from a car that's been totaled. Or it could shut down totally if no body is involved.

We cannot regulate every little part of our life. People have to take responsibility for their own actions and for the ones they are responsible for.

 

Jackie, I like you too, even though I don't agree with your view.

People should take responsibility for their actions, this I agree with. Unfortunately there are lazy and inconsiderate people in this world who are not responsible and their lack of judgment falls on everybody elses lap. I do not think that any person's life should be compromised because of some foolish person who does not take responsibility and I am not just referring to seatbelts. It would be awesome if people did take responsibility because then we would live in an almost perfect world.
I do think that the government takes more liberties than it should, but I also believe that no matter what laws exist or do not exist, someone will always be unhappy. Like my dear old dad used to say, "You can't please them all."
All we can do is pray for guidance as to what God wants us to do.
God bless!!!
Patty

 

You know Jackie, after I read my post, I thought the "You can't please them all." part seemed as though it was directed towards you. This isn't my intent. I mean all people in general. Sometimes people will be pleased, other times people will not. No matter if the government is overly involved or not enforcing a law enough somebody will not be pleased.
God bless!!!
Patty

 

I was reading some information on the Billy Graham website for some insight on this matter. I came across this and thought it was awesome. Regardless what we believe about the government or laws or politics the final leader is Jesus Christ. I'd like to share this then I am no longer posting on this subject. (For now anyway:wink: )

Hope you all find them as inspirational as I did.

http://billygraham.org/MyAnswer_Article.asp?ArticleID=2472

http://billygraham.org/MyAnswer_Article.asp?ArticleID=2263

God bless!
Patty

 

Don't worry, I didn't take it wrong! I know what you meant! But thank you for making sure anyway! I'll look up the Billy Graham stuff when I have the time to give it more thought than I can tonight. I AM interested in what he says. And you are absolutely right about our final leader!

 

This worries me, so scary! I don't want my kids being forced to go to ps. Not to mention, Wake County (county I live in) has the highest numbers of hs families of all the other counties in NC. Our public school system is already overcrowded because many, many people are moving here faster than they can grow and build more schools for. There's already talk about switching ALL schools here from the traditional calendar year to year round to fit in more kids until more schools are built. If homeschoolers had to go to school they'd have 6,361+ kids to place SOMEWHERE. And there's already not enough room for the kids that do want to attend ps. It would be in their best interest to let the hs'ers continue hs'ing so their problem doesn't become an even bigger problem. . . .

 

okay, just one thought about Seatbelts... I am not so sure it should be a law or not but.. when y ou are hanging upside down from your pick up truck that just did at least one 360 tumbling because of a freak water on the roadway accident... you are sure grateful for it!
I also have an aquaintence who said she would not have been alive fromher accident had she been buckled because she slid under the stiring wheel...
that is where my hubby was while I hung upsidedown btw, his head was twisted to side, he ended up with 6 tiny sutures in his head, me , I was fine, cut my thumb climbing OUT fo the upside down window!
that was.... 16? years ago? hehe

 

Exactly. For everyone whose life was saved by wearing them, you will hear of another who would have been dead if they had it on. It goes both ways. But we shouldn't be wasting time on trying to make common sense manditory. (BTW, seatbelts aren't required on school buses, at least not here in Ohio!)

 

OH I Know! And in city busses etc, where more accidents probably happen! Yikes!

Hey we had a kid tested at our school at church this week for 4/5th grade class and he came from a class with 40 students, one grade! He will be in about 11 kids class with two grades adding to that, plus the Christian School aspect so thats pretty much better.
Still, if I could give my kids a good , no great education at an outside school I would if Cost was not a problem, of course I would volenteer there and be near my own kids as often as I could too, lol, thats one reason I home teach to keep them under thumb... and me in the know!

 

Seatbelts are not on school busses becasue it is impossible for one bus driver (In an emergency, mind you) to be able to be sure all children are unbuckeled. (Imagine the chaos). Therefore, school busses have unusually high and padded backs to the seats. Also, it is true that buses are very unlikely to be in a major accident. Which brings us back to the original reason... If it is in a major accident, how does one bus driver timely make sure all children are free of their seatbelts?

City Buses, are a similar story. It is litigation problems, at least down here (Texas). The conundrum is the bus driver cannot leave his seat. However, who helps the handicapped, or anyone else, with their seatbelt in the course of a normal day of getting in or out of the seat? (Sometimes the seatbelt does not work right, some people need help, etc..) Now, add the impossibility of one driver being able to be sure all people on the bus got out of their seatbelts while the bus sinks in the water, or burns or what have you....

These are the arguments given.
That if you looks at pros and cons, it is impractical to put seatbelts on buses.

Just thought I would mention this, because I have heard the other side of the argument.


However, arguing that making people (Adults) wear seatbelts is forcing them to be responsable so that they do not hurt others is the extention of saying that you will arrest fat people, for the hurt obesity does to others. It is related, because your agument says, "If it hurts others, it should be regulated." But the "Hurting that is going on , is relative, at best. No one is Directly hurt, when someone is fat, or doesn't wear a seatbelt.

peace!

Oh! And appearently my fingers do not want to work, today, so please forgive all my typoes....
jen

 

Okay, I lied. I am posting again.

I agree that no person is directly hurt by a fat person or at least I have not heard of any. As to a person not wearing a seat belt, here I strongly disagree. I have been in the process of going to college to get my degree in Administration Of Justice Department with a specialty in Forensic Sciences. This is probably why I do not agree with you because it is a form of government, that I have trained for and am still in the process of training for.
When laws such as the seatbelt law are put in place, it isn't done so with the mindset that it is a good for all. It is a good for most. Whether you agree or not, it has been proven that seatbelts save more lives than not.
Okay, let me think how to summorize this...

You have two cars driving on the same road, one driving Southbound at 60 miles an hour and the other driving Northbound at 60 miles an hour. One car looses control, crashes and the passenger is not belted in. Due to inertia, as the car crashes the passenger continues in motion at 60 miles an hour. The body flies through the air and lands in the front or back seat of the oncoming car killing the driver or passenger or children in the back seat or all. (How would you feel if it were your child?)

How about when a car crashes because a driver is trying to avoid the ejected person and in turn causes a pileup.

The velocity of an ejected body is powerful. In the Forensic Pathology book, there is a photo of a person in the back seat of a car, with their face literally unidentifiable because it was crushed in by the incoming body of an ejected person. Unbelted, backseat passengers are notorious for killing front seat passengers in major accidents because the body slams up against the seat and crushes the person at a high rate of speed.

As for buses, seatbelts would be a menace in a highspeed frontal impact accident. But in a roll over, which has happened, they would be blessings. As you stated though, it is very rare for a bus to roll because of it's massive size. So obviously the need is far less than in a car.

No law is perfect and some are absolutely ridiculous. Maybe to some the attempt to control injuries or even death to some people is ridiculous. I happen not to think so. As far as I am concerned and obviously you do not agree and this is alright, but this law is not one to control you it is implace to protect others. We have to remember, we are not the only ones with rights. Other people have them too.

God bless!!!
Patty

 

That came out wrong. Seatbelts would not be a menace but a blessing in a front impact accident. The menace would come from the bus driver having to unbuckle all the children, assuming they were all to young or all unconsious, to get them out. Which again would be rare because the size of the bus.

 

I don't know about other states but in California, the CHP has jurisdiction that covers streets, freeways, highways..etc... They would be an excellent source for reasons why the seatbelt law exists being that they deal with the highest number of accidents.
Something else. It was also posted earlier that even an accident that doesn't have fatalities can close a freeway or road for hours, so it doesn't matter.
But it does. It hits tax payers right in the pocket. At least in California. If a Major Accident Investigation Team has to come on out, these people have to get paid. I think human life is to be valued and if this law helps to save one life then I say go for it. I could think of numerous other laws that are horrendous but not this one. Not to me anyways.

 

After reading Patty's posts, a thought popped into my mind.

Assuming we all agree with Patty's argument for the seatbelt law (I think you made a good argument Patty, and it really got me thinking although I'm still not convinced it should be law). Anyway, assuming we agree about the dangers of an ejected body, then why aren't motorcycles completely outlawed? Heck, in Ohio motorcyclists aren't even required to wear helmets (but then again, that has to do with their own safety). If a motorcycle is involved in an accident, not only the driver but the bike too could go flying. Just a thought. . .

Oh, and Jen, I am someone who weighs nearly 300 lbs and I'll tell you, I get veeerrryyy nervous when my kids or my cat crawl around or under me when I'm sitting on a lawn chair!!! And I'm not kidding!!

 

Patty, I do agree with you some. But, I also have the same point that kyzg has why do motorcycle wear hemlets or have too. If they are hit the bike flys and so the person and the brain damage if they live is something. I agree Bus need seat belts no the drivers don't have time to see that everyone has them on. But, I think they would get use to it just like a car, when you get in you put it on.

 

Patty,
After re-reading my post, I thought I'd just better clarify that the "why" about motorcycles is not directed personally to you. I know you don't make the laws, I just thought it was an interesting point to ponder. I hope no offense was taken.
Kathy

 

kyzg,
No problem. I understand.
I don't know about other states but in many, it is the majority of voters who vote these laws in. Sometimes it is the public officials we vote for who create them and then if there is an objection then it sometimes goes to the ballad(sp?) to be voted by the people.
My husbands first wife was killed in a motorcycle accident and she wasn't wearing a helmet, although due to the massive trama to her body, it may not have helped anyway. But anyways, I asked my husband why he thought motorcycles are not banned and he said, and it kind of makes sense, he thinks it's because if you compare the number of cars on the California roads (I say California because I do not know how other states operate) compared to motorcycles, the chance of an accident with a motorcycle is much lower in comparison to cars. It could be a so. I really have no clue. However I do know that they have to pay a very high premium for insurance around here and have no choice since it is illegal to drive anything around California without it.
Well, I did enjoy chit-chatting with you all. You are all a great group of people. See you around the forum and God bless!!
Patty

 

This reminds me of my dear aunt. One day she decided to go and take a nap. Well instead of sitting on her bed first, she jumped on her bed, full speed ahead and all of a sudden she heard a load and high pitched, "Meoowwww!!!". Then she quickly jumped off the bed and looked under the covers. Little Kitty was plopping around making a "PHT, PHT sound and then died. It was very sad at the time but, call us sick minded, we actually chuckle about it now.:wink:
God bless!!
Patty