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Jackie
01-07-2008, 06:19 AM
Interesting story. As I read, I'm thinking "These people MUST be homeschoolers!" And finally it mentions that they are. THIS is one reason I've joined HSLDA!

Emma's#1fan
01-07-2008, 07:50 AM
Is there a missing link by any chance.
Patty

Jackie
01-07-2008, 07:57 AM
OOPS!!! http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59566

KrisRV
01-07-2008, 08:33 AM
Man oh Man just leave them alone, they didn't have to go in there and pull guns and all. I hope those officer that went that strong at them get unpaid leave. Man what did they think they were getting into. Unless I am missing something.

Dani
01-07-2008, 08:59 AM
This shocks me! I cannot believe that this mess happens. I also hope that they are not going to be responsible for the medical bill.

The more I think about this the angrier I get.

I mean they used a SWAT team, what kind of ludicrousness is that? My mind is racing with really bad comments on this type of action. I mean everything that happened in this was WRONG!, Even if the family was PSers their rights were totally trampled on.

I have to stop this has made me so mad.

P.H.
01-07-2008, 09:56 AM
It looks like there are a number of other articles listed at the end of this one that would make just as interesting and saddening reads. Thanks, Jackie, for this site.

Frugalcountrymom
01-07-2008, 12:34 PM
Thats just crazy! He said he is going to sue everyone but the one he really needs to get is that Paramedic and get him fired.

Sam

Spinning
01-07-2008, 02:23 PM
Wow--that is just crazy!

Emma's#1fan
01-07-2008, 02:48 PM
Wow! It seems like parents rights are being violated more and more! This was not necessary.:mad:
Patty

Deena
01-08-2008, 04:22 PM
That's just amazing! How on earth can something like that happen in a supposedly free country?! I agree that they need to go after that paramedic who so overstepped his rights that it's not even funny! And a Swat Team? Ridiculous! :(

I think the father, who was rightly VERY angry, should have held his tongue though. "Them is fightin' words" and could be used against him.

Wow, this is just crazy! Prairie, I read a couple of those other articles as well....

Jackie
01-08-2008, 06:25 PM
Yes, the paramedic is at fault. But when he went and complained, he wasn't told that he was out of line. A judge had to sign an order to go in and take the kid. That judge is expected to know the law, and know that this is out of line. And the paramedic was NOT responsible for a SWAT team going in!

becky
01-08-2008, 09:13 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but if either one of my kids fell and hit their heads after trying to hold a car door, yes, I'd take them to the hospital. Constitutionalist? The guy sounds more like a Ruby Ridger. No wonder they sent in the SWAT team.

Deena
01-08-2008, 09:45 PM
I don't know about the rest of you, but if either one of my kids fell and hit their heads after trying to hold a car door, yes, I'd take them to the hospital. Constitutionalist? The guy sounds more like a Ruby Ridger. No wonder they sent in the SWAT team.He's had paramedic experience though, Becky, so he knew what to look for!

Sending the SWAT team is for dangerous, armed criminals. Sending them in this case is just a waste of money, time, effort, and is just plain stupid in my opinion! I'm not saying the father is absolutely right in all his views, I'm saying they were wrong to send in the SWAT Team!


Jackie, in a way he WAS responsible--he's the one that complained and took it to police and Sheriffs! The other guys were wrong too, but if he hadn't gotten mad and told all those other people, the SWAT Team wouldn't have been sent!

Jackie
01-09-2008, 05:49 AM
Becky, so now it's against the law to believe in a literal interpretation of the Constitution?

Deena, I agree that the paramedic was probably acting in what he felt was responsible. Sorry I worded it wrong. But he needs to understand that the parents have the right to refuse treatment. And my understanding is that he just wanted the boy "checked out", not that he really felt there was a danger to the child. I'm still more upset with the others' response to the paramedic's complaint.

becky
01-09-2008, 07:02 AM
I just wonder what kind of 'things' this man has said in the past. Maybe he threatened some kind of violence that prompted this kind of action.If he's got an 'us' anainst 'them' attitude, who knows what his thoughts are. The tone of that article makes me think there's more to this than what got reported.

KrisRV
01-09-2008, 07:42 AM
yes, Becky, I agree there is more then likely more to the story then what we are hearing, but sending in the swat team for something like this is not right. It's wrong.

Emma's#1fan
01-09-2008, 12:50 PM
If getting the boy in for medical analysis or treatment was the goal, it could have easily been done without the SWAT team.
The SWAT team is a highly trained part of law enforcement. You have to be the best of the best to make SWAT.
What threat did this family pose that the police department could not handle the situation?
Talk about abuse of power!
Patty

becky
01-09-2008, 01:15 PM
Yeah, the SWAT team was extreme. Who knows, though, what this man said to get everyone worked up? That's what I'd like to know. This paramedic had no reason to be at odds with this dad. And paramedics do kind of rush in when they arrive at their destination- they're supposed to. I know when my mom had an angina attack long ago, I'd have kicked the behind of the paramedic who waited for permission to enter her house.

Jackie
01-10-2008, 07:22 AM
Here's the latest article on this: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59616

The mom wrote a letter in the Denver paper. I tried to see what this paper wrote about it, but couldn't find it. (I know Worldnet can be a "little" one-sided!)

Actressdancer
01-10-2008, 09:23 AM
(I know Worldnet can be a "little" one-sided!)

And the "Understatement of the Year Award" goes to.......


:D

Emma's#1fan
01-10-2008, 09:48 AM
Hopefully we can find the article. I would like to read it.
Patty

KrisRV
01-10-2008, 01:08 PM
after reading that I see and hear a law suit big time.

amylynn
01-10-2008, 02:10 PM
What makes me angry is that they had to use the SWAT team because when the paramedic called the police they told him it was the parent's decision! HE should have stopped there but instead he went over their heads to the Sheriff's office. The real idiot is the judge who ordered the child taken at gunpoint. A warrant would have worked just as well even if that was still over the top. Sheesh, it's like watching one moron after another jump on the bandwagon.

Amy

Emma's#1fan
01-10-2008, 02:23 PM
CNN has a few articles about this situation. You have to type in SWAT and homeschool.
I didn't read them all so I am not sure what they say or if they are correct.
I am trying to find the article.
Patty

Jackie
01-10-2008, 02:40 PM
I searched CNN, and every article I could find says exactly the same thing. They're pretty much copied from homeschool blogs. I'd love to hear what the locals are saying!

Emma's#1fan
01-10-2008, 02:44 PM
I found this one but I don't think it is the one I am looking for. It is short and pretty much says the same thing as the others.
http://cbs4denver.com/local/Tom.Shiflett.All.2.625138.html
Patty

Jackie
01-10-2008, 03:46 PM
HEY! At least it's something! That's more than I was able to find!

MonkeyMamma
01-10-2008, 04:14 PM
Holy Crap! I just read all this. This is crazy!!!

So after all the drama and government invasion and intrusion and the SWAT team and all that all this kid needed was some ice and Tylenol????? HELLO!!! Do ya think the parents knew this injury wasn't severe and that is why the didn't go to the hospital??? Why does the government assume that all parents are morons and need to be regulated by the government? I can't believe we normal citizens are even allowed to have children let alone keep them in our own homes!

Emma's#1fan
01-10-2008, 10:43 PM
This story reminds me of a situation my aunt and uncle went through, minus the SWAT team, paramedics, and SS.:lol:
My cousin was in the bathtub. She slipped and hit her head. She knocked herself unconscious and inhaled some water. My aunt, being a nurse practitioner removed her from the tub and managed to get the water out of her lungs. My uncle works in the emergency room and checked her over. He said she had a mild concussion but wasn't taking her to the emergency because there was nothing they would do for her that he could not do himself.
They watched her through the night and all was well.
Some people in the family were upset that he didn't take her to the emergency. He told them if she went to the emergency, he is the one she would see. He had all the tools necessary to monitor her.
I think if the father of the boy had no experience in medical treatment, then something should have been done, but not the SWAT Team. But like my uncle and aunt, he did. Most parents would not willingly endanger the lives of their children.
Patty

P.H.
01-12-2008, 08:44 AM
Most parents would not willingly endanger the lives of their children.
Patty


Exactly! But that's what's being questioned: To whom do the children belong?

(In the sense of who has ultimate responsibility for children--their parents or the government?)

MamaBear
01-12-2008, 08:54 AM
Exactly! But that's what's being questioned: To whom do the children belong?

(In the sense of who has ultimate responsibility for children--their parents or the government?)

Unfortunately we have allowed the government to get bigger and bigger, stronger and stronger and this type of invasion and violation has become the norm. When we allow government into our lives and homes by asking for more and more, we allow the government too much authority and power over our children and oursleves.

Emma's#1fan
01-12-2008, 10:29 AM
MamaBear, that is so true!
Patty

becky
01-13-2008, 06:09 PM
I still don't see why it was so hard to let the paramedic check the kid. He wouldn't have been 'turning the child over to the paramedics', he would have been allowing the paramedic to just check his kid out. It makes me wonder if he didn't, at some point, threaten to harm his own family? You know, like do something to the family before he'd comply with such and such. Maybe someone suggested the kids should be in school and he might have threatened to do something to them before he'd do something like send them to ps. Something set these authorities off.

Actressdancer
01-13-2008, 06:13 PM
The paramedics were allowed to see the boy, and found no significant impairment, but wanted to take him to the hospital for an evaluation anyway. Fearing the hospital's bills, the family refused to allow that.

The paramedics did, indeed, look over the boy at the house and found him to be in good shape. So yes, he would have had to "turn him over to the paramedics" in order for him to comply with their request.

Deena
01-14-2008, 02:39 PM
And if he's a medic, then he had the tools to look after his own son. Why would he be REQUIRED to turn his son over to them to take to the hospital, when he KNEW that the outcome would be what it was? It's still MAJOR invasion of peoples' rights, and should NEVER have happened!

What gets me is that they have a case like this where they use a SWAT Team to force the issue on someone who does not seem to have a history of abuse from what I've read. Yet there are other kids who are given back to their parents when there's a huge history of abuse, and some of them end up dying! It just is not right either way!