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KrisRV
10-18-2007, 10:58 AM
Heard today on the Today show they were going to let girls as young as 11 take the birth control. Because a nurse talked to at least 5 girls who were have sex and taking nothing so they thought if they made it avaiable for the young girls it would stop unwanted babies.
Any way they said with the new law where the patient have the rights they can't even tell the parent if there dd is taking the bill or came to the nurse. So, sad.

MonkeyMamma
10-18-2007, 11:46 AM
So glad to homeschool! Ya know I gotta say I knew some girls as young as 12 having sex when I was a kid. They were sleeping with a lot of guys. That to me says a lot about their self esteem. They're still babies at that age.

homeschooler06
10-18-2007, 12:57 PM
I worked at a clinic (not Planned Parenthood) where 13 year olds could come in for procedures and for birth control and not have to tell the parents. I wish they just keep in out of the schools. The kids need to go the their parents or the clinics, outside of school. Schools need to stick to the education part. Maybe give brochures and numbers were to go. It's what they did in high school.

timkelmom
10-18-2007, 01:22 PM
Sorry, I didn't see your post. I started a thread about this as well with a link to the story.

This is just ridiculous.

KrisRV
10-18-2007, 02:25 PM
two mines think a like timkelmom, thats ok...

Spinning
10-19-2007, 05:01 PM
There is a "Quick Vote" on CNN's homepage asking "Should middle schools distribute birth control pills to girls as young as 11?" with a yes or no answer. I answered it, and it showed the results as 21% felt they should, and 79% said they should NOT. So, looks like the majority of people are NOT for this! (AND around 200,000 people have voted on this!)

You don't have to register to take the poll, and it is on CNN.com front page, if you would like to do it.

Jackie
10-19-2007, 06:06 PM
But, of course, the educrats know so much more than all us ignorant people who do the voting!!! And we, of course, need to bow down to their "superior" knowledge of what is best for our children!

Actressdancer
10-19-2007, 06:19 PM
Yahoo has one up, now too. When I voted yesterday, there were over 12,000 that had voted and there were 66% opposed and 5% undecided.

my2kids
10-22-2007, 02:12 PM
I am sooo flippin against that....

Flowerchild
11-05-2007, 09:28 AM
What I think is most sad about this is that BC pills are not a cure all. They do not make the act of these young girls having sex fulfilling, they do not make them feel loved. They do not protect against STD's which are JUST as scary as unplanned pregnancies, if not more! They basically give these girls a false sense of security, and a silent message that it's okay for them to have sex when they should be playing hopscotch. And as far as parents having no right not know about it??? Hello!!! I suppose the schools will step right in with medical expenses, therapy, etc. etc. when these girls hit bottom? Doubtless.

Jackie
11-05-2007, 10:00 AM
Ah, but if the girls need therapy, it's obviously the PARENTS' fault for not accepting their daughter's choice, and the poor young lady went through all this trauma trying to hide her behavior from her Puritanical parents :roll:.

Flowerchild
11-05-2007, 10:49 AM
Oh, yeah! How could I forget? It's ridiculous!

This brings to mind a poster I saw when I was about 16. I got a kick out of it. It said something like, "Teenagers: Are you sick of you parents telling you what to do? Tired of being treated like a kid? Want more freedom?.. Move out, get a job, pay your own bills... Hurry up, while you still know everything!"

LOL.

Smiling Dawn
11-05-2007, 11:07 AM
I am thinking that this is just another way to get people in the system...meaning we'll give you this drug and it will cause troubles in your body at one time or so we can count on you... "ca-ching", "ca-ching", (making the sound of a cash register) investing for the future...to make more money for us...the world of the pharmacy... Soap Box of mine...I am sorry if I make no sense...If you ever read Cures They Don't Want You to Know About, you would understand. I'll stepp off that box for now...

Another thought I have as reading this, (and I am not pointing my finger at you, I should be pointing it at my chest) is that the Church is failing. God's plan is for people to be rescued from their sin. Sin brings death. Look it the death that is being brought to these young girls. Their life as they know it will die if they become pregnant or catch a disease. Death to trust...I know part of their hearts will die... If they should become married in the future, this has put to death the innocence.... I am sorry for going on.
I am going to post my quick reply.

P.H.
11-05-2007, 02:13 PM
Smiling Dawn, that was eloquent! Thanks for your "quick reply!"

amylynn
11-05-2007, 04:57 PM
They're frantically trying to nail the barn door shut long after the horse has run away. Don't they realize they are doing it backward?

Amy

Smiling Dawn
11-05-2007, 05:14 PM
Smiling Dawn, that was eloquent! Thanks for your "quick reply!"
Thank you, Prarie Home.

It took me a bit to type out what I was thinking, you know how that goes sometimes. And then it was comical that the Post Quick Reply is what my arrow needed to go to and for me to click the mouse on...:) Once again, I'll post the quick reply...hehehe.

hmsclmommyto2
11-05-2007, 11:30 PM
First, I'd like to say that the schools should NOT be allowed to do this. It is not their place. People send their children to school to receive an education, not to have the school make medical choices for the child. If they want to prevent unwanted pregnancies & the spread of STDs, they should educate them on the dangers of having sex before they are physically & emotionally prepared to deal with what may happen.
Now, this is not to say that I am completely against children of that age being on birth control. I was only 13 or 14 when I started on it & there is a possibility that my dd will start soon after her first period.
Before anyone gets the wrong impression, let me explain. It has nothing to do with sex or pregnancy (not in this case, anyway). I have had a problem with ovarian cysts since I hit puberty. I also have a medical condition relating to that area, that causes excruciating pain (along with other problems). Birth control is the only thing that has ever helped at all. It took Drs 7 years of tests to figure out what was wrong with me. They misdiagnosed me numerous times, and sent me away with no diagnoses many other times. It's possible that my dd will inherit this condition from me. If she starts showing the symptoms, I will put her on birth control because it helps. There isn't much Drs can do for it. Most of the 'treatments' they've come up with, have small chances of working, and many have the possibilty that the procedure may need to be done more than once. The best chance of solving the problem is a hysterectomy. Since I wouldn't want her to get one that young (Drs wouldn't do it anyway), I will put her on the pill, to at least help ease the problems.
So, I guess what I'm trying to say, is that it should be a joint decision between the parents & the child. They need to consider their reasons, options, beliefs, and of course their opions. Then, make the decision together about what age the child should be when they start birth control. The schools should have no say in the matter. They are not there to offer medical advice to their students or to supply prescrition medication. They are there to educate them. They need to focus more on that. They constantly complain that parents aren't involved in their kids' lives as much as they should be, then they go and involve themselves in an area where they have no right to be involved & should be up to the parents.

P.H.
01-02-2008, 10:48 AM
Oh, yeah! How could I forget? It's ridiculous!

This brings to mind a poster I saw when I was about 16. I got a kick out of it. It said something like, "Teenagers: Are you sick of you parents telling you what to do? Tired of being treated like a kid? Want more freedom?.. Move out, get a job, pay your own bills... Hurry up, while you still know everything!"

LOL.

I just reread this thread and silently said "Amen" several times. I think I'll show the above quote to our family. We'll all get a charge out of it. Thanks!

dawninns
01-02-2008, 03:56 PM
hmsclmommyto2 - I'm thinking much the same thing about when my daughter starts her period. For me the cramps were horrible, akin to labour pains and I really want my daughter to be able to avoid that. AND I want her to have a tool to protect herself should she choose to have sex.

God's plan is for people to be rescued from their sin. Sin brings death.

I have to disagree. Sin does not bring death. Sin brings judgement and, because of grace, it can also bring redemption. It would be a bleak picture if it were as you described but we're Christians and so we have grace and so the girl the sins and becomes pregnant (concequence or judgement) may also find herself in being a mother (redemption).

Yeah, this has nothing to do with BC in schools...:D

I don't know what to think of this issue. Part of me thinks schools should not be doing this but then part of me sees parents who don't parent and cede responsibility for their kids to schools and peer groups. It's nice for me to think this should be between kids and parents but I know there are parents who simply don't talk about sex and aren't availible to their kids for advice on decisions like this.

Actressdancer
01-02-2008, 04:15 PM
I have to disagree. Sin does not bring death. Sin brings judgement and, because of grace, it can also bring redemption. It would be a bleak picture if it were as you described but we're Christians and so we have grace and so the girl the sins and becomes pregnant (concequence or judgement) may also find herself in being a mother (redemption).

Romans 6:23 (New International Version)

"For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

There very well may be redemption, but only after a large part of her life has died.

Ava Rose
01-03-2008, 10:28 AM
Oh Dawninns.....oh dawninns....lol...since you do not believe the Word as perfect and interpret words from scripture in a "modern" way...I guess I can see your point. However, I must...yep...I must disagree. LOL. Bet you didn't see that coming. LOL. The death mentioned in the bible is a spiritual death. So, yes, sin brings about death...why? Because the bible says so! LOL.

This is a sad topic. I hate the thought of those poor little girls on BC pills as if that is the help they need.

Laja656
03-03-2008, 06:39 PM
This is really disturbing to me. There are so many risks involved --- both immediate & things that will pop up later on in life --- associated with birth control... I just don't understand how that decision can be left up to a child. Half the time, adults can't grasp the risks of birth control!

If they're taking it without their parents' knowledge, too, and start having adverse effects.... what are they going to do? Stop taking it, not talk to anyone for an alternative, and end up pregnant? Or, maybe worse, KEEP taking it and end up REALLY sick??? Even if she DOES go back to the nurse or whoever and says "These are making me sick".... there's no guarantee that nurse (or whoever) is going to link it to the birth control.

I, for one, can NOT take ANY form of hormonal birth control. I tried several different kinds that all screwed up my cycles royally. Then, I tried one that seemed to work well for me... boy was I wrong.

I got sick about a month after I started them... started off with a canker sore on the inside of my bottom lip -- but I didn't make the connection because, for one, that's not a side effect listed for that pill.. and for 2, my (then infant) son and cut my lip in just that spot with his fingernail just days earlier.

But it didn't stop there... when that one went away, another one popped up, then another, then another. They were HUGE...size of dimes sometimes, and ONGOING for weeks.

To make a long story short... my symptoms were canker sores, body rashes, fever, headaches, body aches, fatigue, dizziness, faintness, stomach ache, diahhrea, nausea, blurred vision... it was almost like having a horrid case of the flu - the congestion + canker sores & rashes.

I spent nearly a solid YEAR going from dr to dr & eventually from specialist to specialist. I was tested for every STD under the sun, RI, Fibromyalgia, Lupus -- you name it --- urine tests, blood tests, xrays, MRIs

Finally, this infectious disease specialist ruled out everything he could think of. He looked up the info on my BC pill -- my symptoms did NOT match the side-effects listed... but he didn't know what else to try.. so he told me to go off the pill.

Within 3 wks, I was completely back to normal.

Now, imagine an 11 yr old going through that.

MamaBear
03-03-2008, 07:08 PM
This is really disturbing to me. There are so many risks involved --- both immediate & things that will pop up later on in life --- associated with birth control... I just don't understand how that decision can be left up to a child. Half the time, adults can't grasp the risks of birth control!

If they're taking it without their parents' knowledge, too, and start having adverse effects.... what are they going to do? Stop taking it, not talk to anyone for an alternative, and end up pregnant? Or, maybe worse, KEEP taking it and end up REALLY sick??? Even if she DOES go back to the nurse or whoever and says "These are making me sick".... there's no guarantee that nurse (or whoever) is going to link it to the birth control.

I, for one, can NOT take ANY form of hormonal birth control. I tried several different kinds that all screwed up my cycles royally. Then, I tried one that seemed to work well for me... boy was I wrong.

I got sick about a month after I started them... started off with a canker sore on the inside of my bottom lip -- but I didn't make the connection because, for one, that's not a side effect listed for that pill.. and for 2, my (then infant) son and cut my lip in just that spot with his fingernail just days earlier.

But it didn't stop there... when that one went away, another one popped up, then another, then another. They were HUGE...size of dimes sometimes, and ONGOING for weeks.

To make a long story short... my symptoms were canker sores, body rashes, fever, headaches, body aches, fatigue, dizziness, faintness, stomach ache, diahhrea, nausea, blurred vision... it was almost like having a horrid case of the flu - the congestion + canker sores & rashes.

I spent nearly a solid YEAR going from dr to dr & eventually from specialist to specialist. I was tested for every STD under the sun, RI, Fibromyalgia, Lupus -- you name it --- urine tests, blood tests, xrays, MRIs

Finally, this infectious disease specialist ruled out everything he could think of. He looked up the info on my BC pill -- my symptoms did NOT match the side-effects listed... but he didn't know what else to try.. so he told me to go off the pill.

Within 3 wks, I was completely back to normal.

Now, imagine an 11 yr old going through that.

They made me extra-extra sensitive to the sun which caused blisters on my nose. Haven't had issues after I stopped taking them.

Actressdancer
03-03-2008, 08:30 PM
Now, imagine an 11 yr old going through that.

Wow. Just wow. You have to wonder how these brainless people haven't died because they forgot to breath.