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QueenGeek
04-07-2007, 10:21 AM
I know this isn't directly related to homeschooling, but it does provide good reason for some to choose homeschooling over public school...

This is all over the news here, and I'm sure some of you have heard about this incident.

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=316&sid=1106079

I cannot believe this is due JUST to the students being left alone in the classroom for 15 minutes. This stems from a lack of proper parenting and our liberal culture's fault for teaching that sexual activity is simply another recreational activity. Yes, I know this is not a frequent occurrance, but .... one good reason for homeschooling is to keep your kids away from the other kids who are not being properly parented. This is just more proof of that fact.

There is a question at the bottom of the article about what punishment the children will receive. That is a concern, but what of the other children in the room who witnessed this? I would be livid had my child been there. I wonder if there will be any lawsuits?

Lee
04-07-2007, 12:42 PM
I had not heard of that until now. That just makes me sick! My ds is in 5th grade and I can't imagine him even being in the classroom. Wow, that is very sad.

Hippychick
04-07-2007, 02:29 PM
My husband told me about this and it broke my heart. My son is that age and I cannot even imagine him being subjected to something like this. What is happening in America. This is the evidence of God being pulled out of education. We need to pray for our kids and these children.
Blessings

Ohio Mom
04-07-2007, 02:31 PM
I just read this to my husband and he said that is just ONE reason we homeschool.

Aurie
04-07-2007, 04:22 PM
That is the school district from which I pulled my children this past fall.

Here is the thread I started on it:

http://www.homeschoolspot.com/showthread.php?t=5290

lovetocrochet5
04-07-2007, 05:50 PM
OHH my gosh!!!!!!!!

sixcloar
04-07-2007, 06:13 PM
I have a 5th grader, too...just can't imagine!!

QueenGeek
04-07-2007, 06:35 PM
Aurie, IMHO, you definitely made the right decision.

Apparently this is NOT the first incident of this type. The same thing happened in Indiana:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/strange/news-article.aspx?storyid=77513

and in Williamsburg, Va.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/features/students070899.htm

And to make matters worse, the administrators of these schools do not seem to be outraged and certainly do not seem to have the best interest of the children in mind. The school district attorney in Indiana had this to say:

"So they may have witnessed this -- while this is an activity you certainly don't see in a school and it's something that would be certainly unusual -- I don't feel -- I don't know where it posed any immediate danger to those children who saw it."

Huh?

At least the staff in the Williamsburg incident intervened.

MonkeyMamma
04-07-2007, 06:37 PM
My daughter is a 5th grader. It seems like every week here in Houston there is somthing on the news about horrible things going on in the public schools.

JenniferErix
04-07-2007, 10:42 PM
Question:

When a child says or does something overtly sexual, eyebrows are raised and sometimes comments are made that perhaps Child Protective Services should investigate, because "The kids are getting it from SOMEWHERE"

Translation: Possible molestation or otherwise, so let's prod the parents....

Why are these children's home lives not being investigated???????

QueenGeek
04-08-2007, 06:56 AM
Question:

When a child says or does something overtly sexual, eyebrows are raised and sometimes comments are made that perhaps Child Protective Services should investigate, because "The kids are getting it from SOMEWHERE"

Translation: Possible molestation or otherwise, so let's prod the parents....

Why are these children's home lives not being investigated???????
I don't think they are necessarily being molested at home. I think they are learning it from 1. TV, movies, and popular song lyrics, 2. video games, 3. older siblings, 4. peers, and 5. possibly the Internet. Apparently many parents are not monitoring/filtering what their children watch, listen to, and say, and who they hang out with. I was aghast when my son told me what some of the other kids had been watching. And it's both sex and violence, plus a good dose of "adults are stupid and are only trying to prevent you from having fun so you should sneak around them and not do what they say". Many kids were playing games like Grand Theft Auto. And I know of almost no parents who permit Internet use that monitor that use and restrict access using something like Net Nanny, as if they believe their children have come with a self-filter system. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. I think these children are mimicking what they have seen in an attempt to be popular. Peer pressure is and has always been very strong at this age. And after a good dose of all this, why are parents surprised when their children act like they've been raised in a barn?

Jackie
04-08-2007, 07:02 AM
Absolutely, QG!!! We've tried filters, but can't find one that will allow ME access to what I need for school. One cuts out ALL pictures from Google Images, so I can't search for what we're doing in science or history. (You know how dangerous an Archimedes Screw can be, lol!) Rachael is now in the Youth Group, and there's a nice "core group" of about 4 or 5 kids. But they live way across town. I know the parents of two of these kids, but I wouldn't want her at their places unless our youth pastor was there, too! The parents are wonderful people, but..... One is totally clueless, and the other has so much going on (health issues, mostly).

timkelmom
04-08-2007, 08:23 AM
I feel sorry for those children. Where do they get this stuff? I mean, I know what kind of influences they have showing that this is ok. But, c'mon at 11, 12, and 13! I don't know what is happening to our youth today.

Every time I read these stories and I feel scared about our future. What will be "acceptable" in 5 years, or 10?

Who will be our leaders?

I am so happy I have my DKs with me.

KrisRV
04-08-2007, 09:26 PM
well ladies, this stuff happen years and years ago we just never heard about it, because there were no tv, newspaper and the school were small... But, if you all check way back you will see alot of children were married at the age of 13..
Yes, it is scarey I am so glad my dg are with me too...

JenniferErix
04-09-2007, 12:49 AM
I failed at mentioning that I was being saarcastic.
Sorry....

I meant to say that people are so quick to assume that if a child says or does something sexual that "It must be because someone touched them!"

At least, that's what it is like around here.

And I hate that assumption.
I know it is mostly enviroment, and not directly related to physical experience. But people around here are just crazy sure that all kids are sexually molested at some time, and they drive us crazy! We have to watch everything we do with our kids and it sucks having to think that way all the time.

Even my friend's daughter was accused of being sexualy molested, because she was sexually active at 16... she even said, NO, I was not. But people around here won't believe it. Apparently, in their minds, EVERYONE is somehow molested at SOME time.... uuugghhh!

So, I was being sarcastic that it was strange that these people did not hop on that same bandwagon.
That's all.


I don't think they are necessarily being molested at home. I think they are learning it from 1. TV, movies, and popular song lyrics, 2. video games, 3. older siblings, 4. peers, and 5. possibly the Internet. Apparently many parents are not monitoring/filtering what their children watch, listen to, and say, and who they hang out with. I was aghast when my son told me what some of the other kids had been watching. And it's both sex and violence, plus a good dose of "adults are stupid and are only trying to prevent you from having fun so you should sneak around them and not do what they say". Many kids were playing games like Grand Theft Auto. And I know of almost no parents who permit Internet use that monitor that use and restrict access using something like Net Nanny, as if they believe their children have come with a self-filter system. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. I think these children are mimicking what they have seen in an attempt to be popular. Peer pressure is and has always been very strong at this age. And after a good dose of all this, why are parents surprised when their children act like they've been raised in a barn?

QueenGeek
04-09-2007, 09:44 AM
I think (and thought) you have a good point Jen. I think there's a lot of truth there. I was just saying that I don't think that's what's going on. :)

JenniferErix
04-09-2007, 01:54 PM
Oh!
Gotch'a!
(Smacks self on head.)
Having a blonde day/

mommix3
04-11-2007, 07:35 PM
wow!! This is so sad!! I feel sorry for both the kids that did this and also the ones who were basically forced to watch. Society puts too much emphasis on sex and that it's just part of life. Yes, It is part of life but MARRIED life. There's not enough emphasis on the MARRIED part!!! We have got to do something to stop this!! Our kids minds are being poisoned. I am very careful about what my kids watch and hear and even who they hang out with. But some of those commercials aren't too good either. :(

We use firefly for the kids internet and so far it's been good. And it's free. I guess it's just going to be up to us to drill it in our kids heads that sex is not just something everyone should be doing. It's something special that God gave to a husband and wife to share.

Angela

Jackie
04-11-2007, 08:10 PM
There was a bus driver in Columbus arrested today for sex with a student. They didn't make any comment about the age of the student. And I know it doesn't matter, in that he was old enough to know better. But at the same time, I also know that some of the older teens can really come on to a person. And to me, that's different from some younger person that he seduced.

Earthy
05-07-2007, 04:26 PM
Sick. I hear this kind of thing on the news all the time.

Euphemism
05-08-2007, 04:10 PM
I agree with the opinion that it was probably some form of molestation at home. Kids see stuff on the internet and play video games with violence but you don't see kids running around with guns shooting each other or blowing up buildings. I think the incidents where a child has sex before they're older (at least high school I mean geez 5th grade?) can usually be attributed to having gone through it before, not just simple monkey-see monkey-do from TV.

sixcloar
05-08-2007, 11:11 PM
I'm not so sure of that. I have a niece in 6th grade (ps) who was just telling her mom (my sis) last week that the kids at her school have a system for meeting in the bathrooms for oral s*x. She says it's just a part of "making out". My niece also has a just turned 14yo friend who found out yesterday that she's pregnant by her 14yo boyfriend. Apparantly, it is very common for parents these days to drop their middle schoolers off at movie theaters, skating rinks, etc. for hours at a time where they sneak out and find places to experiment with s*x.

Now there are certainly those out there who have been abused, but casual parenting is a lot of the problem. And where the heck are the teachers when this stuff goes on at school?

JenniferErix
05-08-2007, 11:15 PM
Shoot!
I am 37 and dropping off at the movies, the mall and skate rinks was common back in the early 80's. So it is nothing new. Those parents are repeating what their parents did. Nothing new, really.

As far as school, something has changed, because even in the "Tougher" schools that I attended, smoking in the bathroom was one of the most major offenses.

(I attended 15 elementary, 7 jr high schools in a myriad of different economic levels.)

sixcloar
05-08-2007, 11:59 PM
I was dropped off at the skating rink a few times, but if we left the building (these kids are), we were not allowed back in. If mom and dad got there and we weren't in the building...my butt would've been on fire!! As for doing things in the bathroom... we weren't allowed to leave the class for bathroom breaks. That's what the time between classes was for.

Euphemism
05-09-2007, 05:20 AM
I'm not so sure of that. I have a niece in 6th grade (ps) who was just telling her mom (my sis) last week that the kids at her school have a system for meeting in the bathrooms for oral s*x. She says it's just a part of "making out". My niece also has a just turned 14yo friend who found out yesterday that she's pregnant by her 14yo boyfriend. Apparantly, it is very common for parents these days to drop their middle schoolers off at movie theaters, skating rinks, etc. for hours at a time where they sneak out and find places to experiment with s*x.

Now there are certainly those out there who have been abused, but casual parenting is a lot of the problem. And where the heck are the teachers when this stuff goes on at school?

Even so, there's a big difference between doing it privately and in front of the entire classroom full of kids. They're both wrong I agree, but psychologically the two situations are probably different and probably come from different sources.

Jackie
05-09-2007, 06:42 AM
My husband was having discipline issues in his classes, so he decided to take deny all hall-passes. When he gives them out, the kids roam the hall and don't come back to class. He practically got into a shouting match with one of the assistant principals over this. They tried to tell him he couldn't deny the students the opportunity to go to the bathroom. And in all honesty, there really isn't enough time to go during class changes. As it is, kids need to carry heavy backpacks because they are no longer permitted to go to their lockers between classes. Just at the beginning of the day, lunch, and at the end.

Shelley
05-09-2007, 10:06 AM
I tend to think a lot of why these kids do these things is cultural influence with little to no parental monitoring. I mean, look at the TV shows and movies aimed at teens/pre-teens---premarital sex is an integral part of them. Consider the music they listen to--- hip hop, generally speaking, is particularly vulgar.

When kids are being raised by a society that's telling them they're supposed to aspire to be a sexually active young person, they're going to do that. It's made all the worse when no real negative consequences are ever seen in media for these behaviors.

However, it's not the media I so much abhor for this fact as it's the parents who don't bother to consider what they're using as a babysitting device for their kids and the effect it's having on them.

Earthy
05-09-2007, 11:01 AM
I tend to think a lot of why these kids do these things is cultural influence with little to no parental monitoring. I mean, look at the TV shows and movies aimed at teens/pre-teens---premarital sex is an integral part of them. Consider the music they listen to--- hip hop, generally speaking, is particularly vulgar.

When kids are being raised by a society that's telling them they're supposed to aspire to be a sexually active young person, they're going to do that. It's made all the worse when no real negative consequences are ever seen in media for these behaviors.

However, it's not the media I so much abhor for this fact as it's the parents who don't bother to consider what they're using as a babysitting device for their kids and the effect it's having on them.


Yep!

Have you notice how the ratings on G and PG movie now think it's ok to allow a few cuss words and actions that would NOT be allowed in my house!! That really is too bad. There is a LOT of crap out there for parents who don't want to 'raise' their children, with the media's help pushing for that. Then the media acts so surprised when something they push for happens.