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momothem
02-24-2007, 05:15 PM
I hope I didn't put this in the wrong forum. (Sorry if it is)
I guess I really shouldn't have been surprised when I read this, but it was.
Thoughts?

http://enews.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20070224/45dfc650_3ca6_1552620070224-594929444

homeschooler06
02-24-2007, 09:27 PM
I just read an email about it.
Instead of "Have a good day at school.", it's "Have a good day at work".
There is no time for family and I didn't read any wheres about sports either.
If kids don't get out until 5 and have to take a bus, they be home just in time for dinner. We eat at 4:30-5:00 most nights here. Then soon after dinner they have to get ready for the next day and then bed. Up to be at school at 7:30 am.
I hope this doesn't happen in the future.

mommix3
02-24-2007, 09:38 PM
I read that on my yahoo page. It's crazy!!! Don't they realize what that's going to do???? What about Family time or childhood?? I don't get it? Just another reason to homeschool. I was telling my husband about it and he feels the same way. The kids have missed several days of school this year due to ice storms. NOT even major ones. By 10am the roads were completely clear. Anyhow, We were informed that if they have to have anymore bad weather days the kids will be making up the days in Saturday school. It's not the kids fault that someone canceled school and besides that,Saturdays are our family time!!! Only 2 more months of school and we won't have to worry about that nonsense anymore. I just think It's stupid!!! It's hard enough for my kids to go from 8-3:30. I can't imagine them going any longer. I hope this doesn't become the norm for public schools. Those poor kids.

Angela

AussieMum
02-25-2007, 10:39 AM
It is interesting that the article doesn't mention that this automatically provides longer childcare for working parents. I wonder if that is part of the hidden agenda?

sixcloar
02-25-2007, 01:35 PM
Exactly what I thought,too AussieMum!

becky
02-25-2007, 05:17 PM
If the parents are fine with this, what's wrong with it? I think the electives sound fun and they're free. There's nothing at all like that in these schools. I see what they're doing as a good thing.

MonkeyMamma
02-25-2007, 07:55 PM
I read about this today and was going to post something on it - you beat me to it!! My first thought was "Oh those poor children!" But then I thought about the single moms who have to work and maybe this is a good thing for those kids. I agree with Becky that the electives sound fun. I think it is a good oportunity for kids who may not have another option. I am free to be at home a hs my chidlren and I wouldn't have it any other way for my family but realisticly this option isn't available to everyone. I think this could be really good for some kids - maybe not all - but a lot.

onlynamenotaken
02-26-2007, 12:29 AM
I too, don't see this as all bad. If it improves grades and improves student's performance, than isn't that what school is all about? Maybe the looooong trend in public school (dumbing down the curr) is coming full circle. As student ability increases, so does their self confidence. Students continue to improve their performance, parents are pleased (apparently), so I think this is an experiment worth trying.

And yes, it does suit working parents...if kids are w/out parents till 6pm or later anyway, a longer school day really doesn't take much away from 'family time', does it?

I believe parents should raise their children, and in the world we live in today, their are many styles & methods. In my world, one parent home w/chldren full time is the way to go. If not possible, then do the best you can. If school can fill in hours when parents aren't available, I think that can be a good thing.

If my homeschool daughter were still in public school tho, I know it wouldn't work for her...so clearly...extended day school is not for all.

I guess I'm all over the map on this, so I'm glad I'm out of the fray!

Diane

Ava Rose
02-26-2007, 12:56 AM
As long as I can still pick my kid up at 3pm or they can still play sports at the normal time, I could care less. If it is mandated that ALL kids have to stay until 5pm, I think that is just plain crazy.

KrisRV
02-26-2007, 09:48 AM
In Japan and China they have been having long school hours for along time.

vantage
02-26-2007, 06:03 PM
Leaders who still believe in the PS school system will push for this. This gives more time for "less fortunate" kids to catch up academically.

Additionally many in low income districts will see this as an advantage as it reduces day care expences and promises better performance from their sutdents.

I guess later the Gov. schools can just house and feed them too. Oh wait the feeding thing is an option, so only the bunk will be and add on.

DO you think they will start wearing brown shirts, or carrying little red books? Sarcasm off.

becky
02-26-2007, 08:58 PM
Kris, it's so funny you said that about the Chinese and Japanese parents! After I read the story I thought to myself, 'I bet the Oriental parents don't sit around and mourn family time!' They have such high academic standards there. This country should be so inclined.

KrisRV
02-26-2007, 09:37 PM
Becky, I agree with you. Makes you wonder, doesn't it. Sometimes. I know when I say this there will be lots of rotten tomatoes thrown at me. But, before you do it remember this is my opinon my opinon only, I sometimes think we need more schooling for our children, maybe there wouldn't be as many gangs, and as much trouble going on if they were in school more or had something to do. Remember my opinon only.

becky
02-27-2007, 12:18 PM
It's true- make something available, free or affordable, and the kids won't have time to get in trouble. Plus they'll learn.

Ava Rose
02-27-2007, 12:31 PM
Becky, I agree with you. Makes you wonder, doesn't it. Sometimes. I know when I say this there will be lots of rotten tomatoes thrown at me. But, before you do it remember this is my opinon my opinon only, I sometimes think we need more schooling for our children, maybe there wouldn't be as many gangs, and as much trouble going on if they were in school more or had something to do. Remember my opinon only.


Well, if they throw the tomatoes at you, they will have to throw them my way also! :D

timkelmom
02-27-2007, 12:43 PM
I don't think the longer hours are necessarily a bad thing. It depends on how they apply this. American children are generally undereducated, so if this helps, great.

They are using this in areas where the kids would be getting into trouble anyway and probably have little or no parental supervision after school.

It may not be the right thing for everyone, but I think it could definately be a positive thing.

Frugalcountrymom
02-27-2007, 01:00 PM
The longer hours are crazy they better make sure they give them a snack cause I remember by the time I got home from my 2 hours on being on that bus I was starving!

They should just go into summer vacation time. Most the kids that are in sports go back anyways to practice to get ready for the fall they are already there plus it makes it easier for the family not to have a baby sitter during the summer.

I remember girls at girl Scout camp being there all summer cause the parents didnt know where to put them so they sent them to camp all summer. I guess this is a normal thing for most states to send your kids to summer camp all summer??? I am curious about that. My daughter goes only for a week sometimes two but thats the max

Sam

missinseattle
02-28-2007, 09:04 AM
I really don't see it as a bad thing either and it looks like they are implementing fun activities that they wouldn't have in a regular school day.
I agree though that as long as I was able to pick my child up at 3:30 or whatever, then I wouldn't have a problem with it.
I hated the hours at the schools in our county. Start time was 8:55, and pickup was 3:40. By the time dd came out to the car it was pushing 4 o'clock. Really annoying. If she'd taken the bus home she wouldn't have been home till quarter to 5.

I do however know that most countries do this longer day schedule and their education is leaps ahead of the public education here.

This is off subject lol, but I saw a study that VA put out last week that VA has some of the highest hs graduates and test scores for elementary schools. I said to dh it's because the standards are low. YOu look at the curriculum guideline and compare it to other states who fall below our percentage and they expect a lot more out of their students.

Jackie
02-28-2007, 09:35 AM
How does it improve grades? The only thing that will do that is for parents to be involved in education, and discipline to be restored to the schools. This continues to take the "responsibility" off the parents and put it on the government. Plus, it will cost more in wages, building upkeep, etc. Kids will learn best when they're allowed to BE KIDS, and when their parents take primary responsibility for their education. That's why homeschool works! Look at the kids that are doing well in private/public schools. It's the ones whose parents are involved! (And yes, I DO know there's involved parents whose kids are falling through the cracks! I'm not saying that being involved is a guarantee!)

Hoosier Mama
02-28-2007, 09:56 AM
This continues to take the "responsibility" off the parents and put it on the government.


My thought exactly! We live in a society where many people believe it is everyone elses responsibility to take care of our responsibilities....

No tomato's....just my opinion! :)

Emma's#1fan
02-28-2007, 10:35 AM
This is my opinion, so if you throw tomatoes, make them juicy.;)
I believe gangs, drugs and education begin in the home. More time away from the home will only breed a deeper need for the love and attention that no school can provide. Granted for a few more hours the students will be off the street but then they will leave and all will be the same or worse.

Japan thrives in education because education is drilled from day one. I do not personally think it has anything to do with the amount of time they spend in school. It is part of their lifestyle not something they do so many hours a day. Unfortunately, this has been my own experience, they also have a need for perfection because it comes at the price of parental acceptance. We housed many exchange students from Japan and the main thing they always shared was that their parents would not be pleased about this or that. In America they are more Americanized and must be to allow their children to go to American schools after being educated in a society of exremely high achievers. So the education in Japan also comes at a cost. This isn't to say that the parents do not care for their children because they do but the parents have a lot to do with what they become in the future, including picking the field the child will work in as an adult, whether they agree or not.

Jackie had a valid point regarding homeschooling being successful because of parental involvement. We are not schooling our children eight hours a day, but they are learning and thriving. They are receiving guidance and direction for life as an individual.

I honestly think that more time in school is a poor substitute for what troubled children need and that is the love and guidance of the parent not the system. It is a bandage to a problem but not a healer. It doesn't tackle the root of the problem. We live in a society that doesn't require parents to be parents. My dear neighbor girl that I baby sit is the perfect example of this. She is taken to daycare through the school at 7:00 am, attends school until 3:15, goes back to daycare until 5:00 when she is picked up. Comes home and plays her electronic games, watches TV, and goes to bed. She is very neglected. Her time in daycare is supposed to be educational as well. They are supposed to help her with homework and work on projects. It is so sad, she is loney. When she is at my house you would think Handsome was her dad; she watches out our window waiting for him to come home from work. She hugs him and clings to him to the point he asks me to make her leave him alone. When he is out back, she wants to be out back helping him and she seems to want to compete with Ems for his affection which Ems already knows there is no competition because she is secure in her daddy's love, our neighbors girl is seeking a daddy's love. What a world of difference!:D
It is a sad truth but she will most likely end up like her mom, pregnant at 13, no stable daddy figure, and neglected and left like a stray dog to fend for herself when the school system isn't fending for her.
Patty

Deena
02-28-2007, 11:16 AM
I agree with what you've said, Patty!

I also think, though, that many kids would be going elsewhere doing who knows what, or being at home alone watching tv or playing video games etc. At least with these programs they'll be sometplace, soing something good, and interacting with others in a positive (hopefully!) environment!

If this was required, I would be totally against it, but as an option for those that have nothing else, I think it's a good thing.

KrisRV
02-28-2007, 11:31 AM
Wow! Patty do I have the tomatoes for you. LOL just kidding. I do agree with you. If it was helping there education I would be for it. If its something or someone to keep the children so the parents can have a free sitter I don't agree.

Patty, what color tomotoes I have green, yellow, or red.

homeschooler06
02-28-2007, 11:33 AM
The short time that I was involved in PS, I mentioned to fellow parents that it would be great if there was an afternoon program for the children. Since school gets out @ 310, we could have something 4 or 4:30. Most of the children at the school we went to is military. More than have of them have parents that get out at work at 3:30.
I offered my services to help plan it. I had a rough layout on how we could do it. I even offered making maybe an afterschool 4-H program. Everyone said nice idea but no one wanted to help. I was just so grrrr. Parents complain but when asked to help, they wouldn't.
Dh says I should try to help out the school. Now no one bothers to pay attention to what I say since I no longer have a child there. The parents here want a change but not willing to go forth with it. Most are also like we are only here for a year or so, why bother. Ggrr.

Emma's#1fan
02-28-2007, 12:50 PM
Wow! Patty do I have the tomatoes for you. LOL just kidding. I do agree with you. If it was helping there education I would be for it. If its something or someone to keep the children so the parents can have a free sitter I don't agree.

Patty, what color tomotoes I have green, yellow, or red.

Preferably red, juicy tomatoes, please!
Ems loves tomatoes and Handsome likes making salsa, so the more the better.:lol:
Patty

Hoosier Mama
02-28-2007, 01:43 PM
Well, I like what you said in your post....but I will still throw some tomatoes your way!! Afterall, what are friends for! LOL

KrisRV
02-28-2007, 05:57 PM
Ok Patty they are coming your way. LOL

Deena
02-28-2007, 06:32 PM
Wow, Leslie, what a good friend you are! ;)

KrisRV
02-28-2007, 06:55 PM
Leslie, is a good friend and the tomatoes she throws are ripe and messy but good.

AussieMum
03-02-2007, 10:53 AM
If it starts as optional and it's seen to be working/helping, how long do you think it will be before it is required?

Emma's#1fan
03-02-2007, 11:04 AM
Well, I like what you said in your post....but I will still throw some tomatoes your way!! Afterall, what are friends for! LOL

Okay Friend, if you are in the tossing mood, can you toss me some yellow this time? I like variety!!!:lol:
Patty

Deena
03-02-2007, 04:39 PM
AussieMum, I don't think it'd take them long to require something like that. That's what they're aiming for anyway, eventually, I'm guessing.