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04-24-2006, 12:42 PM
Today I got a notice that an ebook I had bid on was in the Prohibited items list. Turns out the one I bid on was banned for being cheaper than the listing price but as I was looking through the list of items I discovered Ebay has a new policy Banning ANY teacher's edition of any text book!!!!

Teacherís Edition Textbooks

Teacherís editions of textbooks and solutions manuals that are intended solely for use by teachers are not permitted by eBay.

Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions, including:

Listing cancellation

Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings

Limits on account privileges

Account suspension

Items that are prohibited:

Solutions manuals for teachers, teacher(s) manuals, instructor manuals are prohibited

A hardcopy of a teacherís edition of a math book
A PDF, TIF version of a teacherís edition of a textbook

An eBook version of a Teacherís manual on a CD-R

Items that are allowed:

Solutions manuals for students

Additional information

Teacherís Edition textbooks are often clearly labeled as such but if you have any doubts, you should avoid selling the item on eBay. Teacherís Edition textbooks often have special answer keys, exams, teaching tips, and guides to be solely utilized by the instructors of those courses.

Why does eBay have this policy?
Teachers editions are intended for teacherís use and eBay believes in limiting the resale of those items as we are not equipped to verify if the buyer is a teacher or not.

I see teachers are now a protected class! They can claim that it's to stop public school students from cheating on tests by buying the teacher's edition.. but COME ON! If a public School student has a Bank Account and a credit card and is determined to cheat they will anyways. Besides .. Ebay allows alot of utter CRAP and disallows textbook manuals. :roll: I think it's truly just aa slight against homeschoolers or else someone making policies that is just plain stupid. I am writing them to complain. Maybe if enough people do they will change it.

Ohio Mom
04-24-2006, 04:53 PM
Syele, I just listed about 27 Abeka books on ebay and 16 of them were Teacher Edition or Teacher Keys. I haven't heard a word. I wonder if I should contact them and inquire about it or just leave it alone and see what happens. I know a while ago I saw this same post about ebay, I continued to check and ebay continues to have them for sale. I never tried buying any of them. Sooooo I went ahead and put my books on for sale. I think I will just wait and see what happens:)

04-24-2006, 04:59 PM
My guess is that the Abeka is an "official" homeschooling company. (Yes, I know the sell to private schools, too!) But last year I needed a TM for Rachael's pre-algebra book. It was one that came from a PS, and one that isn't usually sold to HS's. About the only thing we could do would be to organize a protest, and have HS'ers refuse to do business with E-Bay until the policy changed. I think the company I got the pre-algebra book from was Alibris. Something like that.... The price was fair...I think about $12 for a used book in good condition.

04-24-2006, 05:41 PM
If you want to look at this more - go to the forum(community) on Ebay and go to books. There are quite a few sellers there that are not enjoying this new policy. Some of them have had 30 items removed at a time.
I was really disappointed because that is where I buy all my teacher's manuals.

04-24-2006, 05:56 PM
One of the sites I was reading about it said they have dropped the average number of teacher's edition books from 3000 to about 900. I have a rod and staff set of the book and the teacher's edition I was about to post... but now I'm reconsidering.

04-24-2006, 08:05 PM
I must have posted this at atoz, but I tried to buy the teacher's edition of Jeanne's math book and Houghton Mifflin wouldn't sell to me unless I gave proof of h.s.ing.
They gave me the same story, that kids are coming there and ordering TA's to get ahead in their classes. A teenager must have way too much time and free money to do such a thing.

Considering the cars I see parked at our highschool, I can believe it.

I wouldn't see it as preferential treatment for teachers, really. Is Ebay willing to sell TA's if given proof of h.s.ing?

04-24-2006, 08:59 PM
Sabrina, I read the comments, at least some of them. One person commented that many of the books he (she?) sells are vintage. Why won't they allow the TE of the old "Dick and Jane" readers? Well, I guess you never know when a first-grader might want to cheat on their worksheets, right?

Someone commented that minors aren't supposedly allowed to buy from ebay without parental permission in the first place. Someone else was wondering if ebay would continue selling fishing lures, since they have no way of knowing if the person buying them has a license to fish......

04-24-2006, 09:47 PM
Someone commented that minors aren't supposedly allowed to buy from ebay without parental permission in the first place. Someone else was wondering if ebay would continue selling fishing lures, since they have no way of knowing if the person buying them has a license to fish......

Exactly my point. if Ebay is going to take on all the Juvinile Deliquents who cheat on tests in school and happen to have credit cards and Ebay account... Why do they still sell chain link bras and other stuff not for children? their policies are very clear that a person has to be over 18 to use the site. That should cover it if that was truly their concern. All I can see is that they are trying to make some political statement.

04-25-2006, 12:24 AM
I love buying my books on e bay!! I am so bummed by this! You know the other day I was browsing e bay and typed in homeschool in the search....I usually get 250 pages worth byt now it's like 45 pages. I wonder if this is why!

04-25-2006, 08:06 AM
Jackie, I noticed posts like that, too. The Dick and Jane vintage - I think they just pull off without really looking at it. They'll just be put on as vintage and not list TE in the title. No reason for that not to be sold. Ridiculous.
Such a shame. There are those of us who can't afford to buy new TE. The used are fine when it comes to TE. I will have to get used to the other sites you ladies talk about to look for used Homeschool books. With gas prices going up we have to cut some places.

Ohio Mom
04-25-2006, 10:17 AM
I just received notice that they removed my 3 Teacher Editions from ebay that I had listed. I had received questions from interested buyers, so I just e-mailed them that I still had them for sale if they were interested. I hope I won't get in trouble by doing that, but I need to sell them so I can buy next years curriculum. They have not removed my teacher keys yet. They are the books with all the test answers in them.dah!!! I'm sure they will do that before the day ends.:( I can't believe this, they do sell alot of things on ebay that is not for the eyes of children. They even show pictures that are unappropriate!!! I'm really frustrated and think I will just take them to the local book exchange that we have for homeschoolers and pray that someone will need these and I can find some that I can use.

04-25-2006, 10:34 AM
G'ma, I would send an e-mail directly to them, and tell them that since they are no longer friendly to HS's selling/buying books, you will take all of your business to places that are willing to meet your needs. Personally, I think they're getting pressure from someone with financial pull to not sell these books.

Ohio Mom
04-25-2006, 11:01 AM
Jackie, Good idea, I will do that right now.

04-25-2006, 12:54 PM
What form did you use to email them? I tried and it said I could only used to form to report people selling prohibited stuff. :(

Ava Rose
04-26-2006, 10:58 AM
You know, I think EBAY is being stupid. I do think that we should be able to buy teachers manuals. You still can if you want to, just not on Ebay. However, I could care less about buying books they use in the school system. I have yet to see anything worth buying that the public schools use. I am sure I haven't seen all the books they use so I may be wrong.

04-26-2006, 12:16 PM
That's part of the problem Ava Rose, it's not just the ones the public schools use .. It's any teacher's edition of a book... Ohio grandma's were abeka! I probably wouldn't care it it was just public school textbooks they targeted.

04-26-2006, 01:35 PM
try this one (http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_us/_base/result_3_7_8.html?item=&dsturl=http%3A%2F%2Fpages.ebay.com%2Fhelp%2Fcontac t_us%2F_base%2Findex.html&tier0=%5Bobject+Object%5D&tier1=result_3_7_8&continue=Continue+%3E). You will have to press the "email us" under the line. I know it doesn't' exactly go where you want it to, but it's around there.

Why don't they list the teacher's text books under 'everything else', 'mature audiences'. Since you have to be 18, or prove to them anyway. Just an idea.

04-26-2006, 02:07 PM
Just for the record, Ava Rose, the Rachael's pre-algebra book is a discarded Public School book published by Merrill. While I agree when it comes to most subjects, I've found this book very easy to use and it has worked wonderfully for me. I would strongly reccomend it to anyone, especially since I am NOT a "math person", LOl!

Ohio Mom
04-26-2006, 02:22 PM
Syele, I went to (Ebay Help, Contact Us, Selling & Fees, My Listing Was Removed, Listed an item Banned, Continue and then E-Mail us). There are other options under Selling & Fees that you can choose. My Abeka items are not selling very well, I think people have gone elsewhere to buy their used curriculum. I don't blame them. I am very upset about it and e-mailed them- told them I would never use e-bay again unless they changed their policy. I also told them that some of the things on e-bay (including the pictures) are not for children's eyes. I haven't gotten a response yet, probably won't. I would remove all my listings now, but, people have bid on them. The books I paid 20.00 are going to be sold for 1.00:( Oh well, someone who doesn't have very much money hopefully will get a good deal:)

Ava Rose
04-26-2006, 02:51 PM
yea, see I don't know anything. I am sure the public schools have some decent material. Afterall, I had only a ps education. I am sure other online auctions will sell teacher's manuals. Doesn't Yahoo have one? I am not sure.

04-26-2006, 03:39 PM
Their statement says these books are intended for 'teachers'. We are teachers in a sense. As everyone is firing off nastygrams to ebay, is anyone going to ask if they'll reconsider, with proof of homeschooling? If enough people complain this will get changed.

04-26-2006, 06:12 PM
I hope to heck I am more wrong than anything but...

After 4 years on eBay I have learned THEY DON'T CARE.
Even when you say, "I'll take my business elsewhere." They just laugh. They own just about everything and they know there really is no competition for eBay.

Also, I promise you, they only make rules to prevent themselves fom loosing money and therefore it is the textbook publishers that have strong armed them. they could give a crap if a few hundred of us write them strongly worded letters. No skin off their backs.

Maybe this (Insensitivity to little users) is why their stock has gone down 30% since Jan?

Again, I really really hope I am wrong.
But as a seller I have watched ebay turn evil to the little guy.

04-26-2006, 08:31 PM
I agree, they don't care. The bottom line is that there ARE other places to shop. If you don't like their policy, go elsewhere. When enough people do that, they'll take notice. I've only shopped E-bay once, and HATED it. I won't be back. I'd rather get my text books, TM included, from other sources. I've not had any problems. I work directly with lovely people, HS'ers like myself, who are very nice and friendly. I know I am helping them get their books for next year, too.

04-27-2006, 09:43 AM
This moring a search term of "Teacher edition" brings up 238 results. :eek: STILL there hmmmmm...

And as far as eBay, it is like buying gas. I try to buy from the independant "Little Guy" stations, even though I know some of that money goes to the Big Guys.

COntinued on next post . . . . . . . .

04-27-2006, 09:43 AM
O, I try to buy from the smaller sellers "Mom and POP" even though I know money goes back to big ole eBay (Seller fees and such).

But for four years all I have ever heard is how "If enough of us leave, they will take notice." This only works in the non-ebay world. eBay is replacing YOU with (I do not remember the exact number) about 5,000 people a DAY! YOU and YOUR problems are a liability and replaceable with freash meat from China and . . . everywhere, actually.

This is what I have learned in four years, there.
I used to push over $3,000.00 a month in gross sales of Dog Beds.
I am still adicted...... :roll:

Now as far as elsewhere.. you are right... but it is a dark alley!
For example: I read a LOT and listen a LOT to other people's posts from eBay's forums and last years new place: OVERSTOCK.com's auctions.

One theme was universal: No customers at Overstock. Persoanlly, while I was liting things on overstock, trying to encourage their "Take Over" of ebay's crowds.... I was screaming at the tv when their retarded "CHCIK IN WHITE" commercial would come on. :evil:

If they were going to take on a beast like eBay, give your commercials some meat. Show a bunch of small guys slaughtering a giant monster!! Yea!!! Not some stupid chick talk about books in an all white room! Blah! :mad:

And so, Overstock never worked for me. Not enough people. :(

04-27-2006, 09:44 AM
I had to split the following message in to two, because this system said I used too many smileys and would not let me post it.

I am officially freaked out.

04-27-2006, 10:19 AM
Jen, I buy from homeschoolers direct. There is NO "middleman". All the money I make goes to the person I buy from. The sites are free. Yeah, if you go to a place like VeggieSource, you have to sift through the millions of vendors that post there, too. But those people keep VeggieSource open, so I don't complain too much. I do fine without e-bay.

04-27-2006, 11:08 AM
Oh! Awesome!
Thanks for the info!
It is so cool to hear about someone doing well after eBay.

Take a stroll through the forums ON eBay and even there, it is doom and gloom.

Ava Rose
04-27-2006, 12:51 PM
I agree with the woman in white, "O" commericals. Those are so lame.

A friend of mine makes a mint on Ebay. She was trying to get me to get involved. I am not all that interested. I do however, have a business I wouldn't mind getting off the ground. Wasn't sure if that was a good place to start. I hear so many different things about Ebay.

04-27-2006, 01:55 PM
No tomatoes......but......I can see why teacher's editions can't be sold. Kids who are "that good" at stealing, etc. know their way around a site like that with stolen credit numbers and such. Identity theft is easy now a days, and so is stealing credit card numbers. I believe Ebay just has to do their part in policing the situation. Perhaps this has happend enough on the site where a kid bought a TA book from there with a stolen credit number, and got caught. Ebay may have gotten enough complaints about it. It's not that hard to look in moms purse for a credit card, and then snoop it back after you use it ya know! Kids are also stupid (ones who pull this crap), they don't think about getting caught, until they do. I'm sure many don't know mom and dad get a credit card statement each month either, etc.

What I'm saying is this: it seems to me, they have good reasoning behind it. And I really don't think they have something just against homeschooers. That idea is really just absurd, in my opinion.

Carry on...

04-27-2006, 02:05 PM
I hate to sound like a flip floper but you can do well on ebay. You really have to find a niche.

The problem with eBay is, most people find it hard to continue with the original idea of an on-line garage sale. Most people have been trained by eBay (Through their PR, commercials and so foorth) that we go to eBay for WEIRD things, NEW THINGS and antquies....

If it is garage sale stuff, people will leave you negatives for things not ebing perfect, even if you describe the item as being dusty and rusty.

And the fees are incredible!
I can sell something for $24.95.
It cost me .95 to sell it.
And $1.31 for the final value fee, then about $1.40 for the paypal fee.
Then people get mad, when you charge them ANYTHING over shipping because they FORGET the HANDLING part of SHIPING AND HANDLING. ARGH! Boxes and wrap and tape cost money.

So, I get people mad at me for a .50 addtional charge for handling for a 2 pound item. So we take the negs or we eat the cost.

the fees are set up only for the lower teir sellers....
Those big box stores and warehouse sellers get a DISCOUNT ont their fees...

SO, now is it impossible to sell "Things out of your house" like before.
Not that it is impossible, you just can't do it like before.

If I tried to sell a book or .99, it would cost about that much to post it (Because no one really looks at sales without photos, admit it, we all looka t the one with the photo, first...) Then what ever it sells for, final value fee, then the fee to get the money and then the money to wrap it for shipment.... You would do better to take it to half priced books and have them buy it for $0.50.

And therin leis the problem. A whole lifestyle of "Sell your dusty crap" on ebay has died over the last four years. Four years ago, people KNEW and EXPECT that if you said something had been sitting on your VCR for four years and was dusty, that it actually WAS. And they would pay for it. But it did not cost you an arm and a leg to sell it.

Also, eBay has made it clear to anyone who buys.... Use PAYPAL, (Their company) or run the risk of complete financial ruin! Bwaaa haa haa! (Evil laugh). They ate up Bid Pay on purpose and are sure to make anyone who wants to write a check or money order fully aware that there are so many avenues of fraud.. that a person gives in and says, OK I will use PayPal... which means eBay again, gets ANOTHER cut of the same pie you just sold.

ok, I just wne on a major rant.
I still eBay... sell and buy....
But it is soooooooo not what it used to be and that bytes.
Plus their stock is down 30% this year. Blah!