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HomeschoolG'ma
03-23-2006, 07:37 PM
This is not about homeschooling, but it is very disturbing to me. The front page of the Tulsa World, today, says that "Oklahoma Tops Nation in Pre-K." They are proud of the fact that more 4 year olds are institutionalized in Oklahoma than anywhere else. 32,000 Oklahoma 4 year olds are getting on a bus at 7:30 in the morning and getting off between 3:30 and 4:00. To be fair, some of them may be 1/2 day, but most of the public schools are full day. They are less proud that the state is ranked only 29th in spending for them, only a mere S2,517. per child in 2005. (New Jersey spends $9,305 per child.)

While looking up some more information on Oklahoma, my home state, I also found that 39,279 grandparents are responsible for their grandchildren in this state.

Why are so many parents giving their children away? :cry:

OKmom
03-24-2006, 11:02 AM
Been there, tried that....now I homeschool.

I'm also from Oklahoma and while we were deciding if we wanted to homeschool or not, we enrolled our then-4 year old son into PreK at the local public school (thinking we'd give it a try and see what happened).

I was appalled!!

He actually started to regress! His vocabulary was suddently peppered with "ain't" and poor grammar. They spent more time playing, watching videos and going on field trips than actual study. He was kicked in the face (on the playground--200 kids with 2 teachers watching), poked in the eye with a corn dog stick (in the cafeteria)....it was obvious that there wasn't a lot of supervision.

(Could go on about the safety issues around the school, but then this post would get really long!)

But what finally cliched the idea to homeschool was when the teacher sent home a note in his backpack about an upcoming field trip. She couldn't write a proper sentence or spell, either....and she was going to teach MY son?! I don't think so!

We pulled him out of the program and have homeschooled ever since. Now if someone asks me about why I homeschool I can say I've tried the public school system, and made an informed decision NOT to use their services.

ABall
03-24-2006, 12:25 PM
I can't say I've tried the public schools here, but I've seen and heard enough about them to think I am making the right choice.

By the way, they are still considering having English as the official language here, but its not official yet. I don't mind my kids learning Spanish, but I hope they will learn English first.

Jackie
03-24-2006, 02:19 PM
We haven't "tried" the public schools. But I taught in them for over ten years, and DH has 18 years teaching in them. We didn't need to try them out to know all the problems with them!

Marylyn_TX
03-24-2006, 03:36 PM
On a more upbeat side, we put our daughter into Public school Pre-K this year. She is mildly autistic and really needed both the speech therapy and the social immersion. Our school district only has all-day-every-day Pre-K, so a half day program wasn't an option (which I really hated at the beginning!). She's in a co-teach class - there is one "regular" teacher, one special-ed teacher, and an aide in the room at all times (the class is half special-ed and half "regular" kids). It has been a WONDERFUL experience for her!! The teachers have been great and the rest of the staff has been fantastic, too. So all Pre-K programs aren't horrible. :-) That said, we are going to homeschool her starting next year as she has completely caught up socially and is almost caught up speech-wise.

becky
03-24-2006, 06:14 PM
Plus, people have to work. How I WISH I could have afforded preschool for Kevin when he was small. People who are truly working to make ends meet need a place to leave their kids.

Jackie
03-24-2006, 08:24 PM
But how many of the kids in preschool are ones like that? So many are ones where both parents CHOSE to work, or where the mom is staying at home and sending the kid to preschool anyway, simply because they think it's the "right" thing to do. And even those who have to work could find someone as caring as our Jen! A good
in-home person would be so much better than getting them institutionalized so early!

becky
03-25-2006, 07:27 AM
Either way, in home or a center. I myself wish I had sent Kevin, and I'm even sorry I didn't send Jeannie just for the socialization.

Mom2ampm
03-25-2006, 01:02 PM
Preschool is like kindergarten nowadays. I know my mom told me she put me in K because of the pressure from her friends. All the kids I knew went to K. Now, all the kids around go to PreK (even if it's just part-time). My mom thinks it's the working parents that have made this the norm and the stay-at-home parents are feeling pressured to keep up and put them in prek. I also think there is a pretty big group of people that just put them there for the break. :(

cowpokemary
03-28-2006, 07:02 AM
My 2 cents on Ok's 4 yo program! 95% of the parents in my community send their kids to the 4 yo prog. to avoid daycare expenses, let the state baby sit them!! Their is a tremendous amount of social pressure to send, I didn't and mine they are fine.....imagine that! I am curious as to when toddlers will be required to attend school here? Ugh!!!!

Maureen
03-29-2006, 05:20 PM
My opinion. 4 year olds are too young to be in school setting. My daughter went to Kindergarten when she was 4 and while it was fine for her I still think I'd have been better off getting socialization elsewhere. I will say that she has more socialization now then she did iin PS at any age.

JenniferErix
03-30-2006, 09:59 PM
(Please do not think I am starting a fight. I swear I am stating facts germaine to the comment.)

In my state, Texas, my children were not ALLOWED to go to PreK. Why? Because they were not illeagal aliens (Undocumented children CANNOT be denied public education), they did not have English as the Second language at home, they did not qualify for the Free or Reduced lunch program (By their father's income of $1k a year over the limit) and they did not have a "Significant learning disability". This was the reasoning given to me, when I tried to register the twins for PreK when they were 4 yo.

They were not allowed to go to public school until they were at least 5 and had to go to kindergarten. Meanwhile, my neighbors' kids were spouting out things they had "Gotten" to do in class, making me and my kids a bit jelous. (This is before we decided to HS.)

I felt cheated. I spent that year trying to keep my kids "Caught up" with the other kids who "Got" to go to school. I felt like a non-citizen in my oun country, because of having to make room for others. Quite bitter.

But, on the brught side..... I learned that I like homeschooling my kids and they went to public kindergarten for 110 days. Once my son had the desire to learn beat out of him, and he said he felt "Stupid for trying"... OUT they came...

I come from poor people. We do not have many options and we are not taught to think out of the box. Not many entreprenuers, in my liniage. But I am different and chose a different route.

Oh, and how rich do you have to be, in Texas to NOT qualify for any aid, or PreK admission? We lived in a trailer, family of five, three in diapers at one time, one income, heavy (Preemies) medical debt and no assets. I have never known anyone, other than my Aunt, who was "Rich" enough to live in a brick house. (Just workin' stiffs)

Not that I am still bitter about it or anything.
(Nervous laughter)

My point to posting this is that our public school systems are so strained for having to pay for those who bring nothing (Money) into the system, that our OWN children cannot go to school because the resources are strained. And people like me, who do not know any better are letting the school system drag their kids down, or making them THINK they are unworthy of an education... it just makes me mad.

I know there is a current event going on right now, and I am not interested in fighting about that issue. I just wanted to post this because I was facinated that in your state everyone gets to go to PreK, just south of you, we coudn't.

Ava Rose
03-30-2006, 11:24 PM
Wow, Jennifer! That is terrible. That makes me mad. I can see why you felt like a non-citizen. That is not right.

HomeschoolG'ma
03-30-2006, 11:31 PM
This is off topic, but along the lines of Jennifer's post. Colleges are the same. You make just enough NOT to get federal aid, you homeschool so it is hard to get scholarships unless you make it a full-time job, you find out that most of your college son's friend's are going to school free because they are a minority, have a disability, or they are from another country and the school gives them an education as long as they go back to their home country afterward. I say, "WHAT ABOUT NORMAL AMERICAN KIDS?"

Ava Rose
03-30-2006, 11:44 PM
What do you consider a "normal american kid"? I am appalled that non-americans go to school here free. I think we should support those who are citizens and who will use the education in this country. I am not in favor of being awarded a scholarship based solely on race, religion or disability. However, we give scholarships or athletics and music and so forth. If a private company or organization supports a scholarship for a miniority or one with a disablity, this is fine. That doesn't take away money for "normal" kids. So, what is normal? Miniorities and those with disabilities can be american kids, right?

JenniferErix
03-31-2006, 01:14 AM
So, what is normal? Miniorities and those with disabilities can be american kids, right?


I think her message was muddied...
I think that what she was comparing "Normal" to, was the Foreigners. At least, when I re-read it and slowly place commas in different places, it seems to be.

The fact that she also talked about disabled or poor, was the forethought, then she mentions foreigners and only then does she say "Normal American Students".

At least, that's my take.

Ava Rose
03-31-2006, 01:36 AM
Normal has nothing to do with foreigners. I reread and I still think it sounds off. poor choice of words, I agree, poor wording, I agree....I am still getting the same feeling on that post. But who knows.

Ava Rose
03-31-2006, 01:44 AM
you find out that most of your college son's friend's are going to school free because they are a minority, have a disability, or they are from another country and the school gives them an education as long as they go back to their home country afterward. I say, "WHAT ABOUT NORMAL AMERICAN KIDS?"

No matter how you slice the commas, it sounds like normal american kids refers to white, abled body, citizens. Not buying the commas are misplaced. So I still ask, What is normal?

Syele
03-31-2006, 02:04 AM
well I read it to mean "what about the american kids that don't fit in some special label/category/racial minority?"

Normal as in not catagorized as "disadvantaged" in one way or another. american as in not the previously mentioned forigeners.

Just how I took it...

Jackie
03-31-2006, 06:14 AM
You know, how many of us would have fits with a family who always put the needs of the neighboring family first and allowed their own children to go without? It just shouldn't be done!!! There's nothing wrong with helping, but we also need to provide for "our own"! A person who is NOT a citizen does NOT have the same rights, PERIOD! I mean, the last presidential election, they were trying to allow illegal aliens to VOTE!!!

JenniferErix
03-31-2006, 08:35 AM
Here, in Houston a local High School Principal hoisted the Mexican Flag up the School Flag Pole. it was up there long enough for the news reporters to get their chopper over there. Principal was punished, athough the hispanic superintendant refuses to release details of HOW the principal was punished.

Am I wrong, or isn't hoisting another country's flag a treasonable offense?

What really bytes is all my friends who are of Mexican Heritage, that are terrified to speak up. They would get it from both ends, if they spoke out against this kids, who are proesting. Even if to correct the children.

Oh, and get this.... The reason, many think, that the Hispanic children are more likely to "WalkOut" of school, this week... Check your cable channels. There is a special on one of the HBO's or Showtimes called, (Yup, you guessed it!) "WalkOut!".

It is about a 1968 Walkout by hispanic kids from LA county schools, who walked out to protest the treatment of their peers. Good flick.

But many in the "MySpace" generation have taken up this movie as a rally call to "WalkOut!" The movie is new. It was just released this month.

You cannot possibly invite everyone in the world to come "Crash on your sofa" anymore than any country can allow unbridled emmigration. (Let's all look to France, shall we?) But for some reason, the entire world is hooked on this idea that since the White settlers where not "Native" Americans, that somehow we do not deserve soverenty.

I just want to remind everyone that the "Native Americans" were NOT here first. (That sound you hear is every ellitist socialist college proffessor hitting the roof for me telling you the truth) (Man my spelling bytes today)

Acording to nearly EVERY science book, they came across the "Land Bridge" from what is now Russia and "Invaded" the Americas to make it there own. Just as EVERY civilization has done in every point in history.

Oh, dayng it!
I swore I was not gonna get into this....
I am just gonna walk away from the computer slowly and get more coffee....

I just wanna say that may all the great people who come here, that really want to be just regular "Joes" themselves, like my hispanic nighbors, God bless'm! And may our government find some way to streamline the legal emmigration system to help the honest folks!

Ava Rose
03-31-2006, 09:26 AM
Our country is loosing its own identity. Our country was founded on the idea of religious freedom, NOT melting pot. Oh come and destroy our hertiage all people of the world! yes, we HAVE a heritage. But we have compromised so much it is faded and all but lost. I am all for honest decent hard working people living in America. If you are here to participate and pledge alligence to the flag, glad to have you. I am so tired of it being "out of style" or not "politically correct" to be patriotic. What other country would allow a foreign flag to be hoisted outside a goverment (ps included) building?! Yes, it was brought down and the guy supposedly punished. I saw protesters outside the mall a while back protesting our president. yes, we have freedom. I support freedom. However, it still stands that if we are divided we will fall. A whole is greater than a combination of pieces. We can disagree but we need to have a standard and a basis for which we live. We need NOT to second guess our consitiution just because some idiot feels his rights were violated. I am so tired of americans who hate america. Well, if you hate it so much there is a whole big world out there with property for sale. Oh, so now it doesn't sound all that appealing to move outside of our great country, does it? I don't see anyone packing up and moving OR trying to make it better or be heard in a reasonable fashion.

Ok, ok....see Jennifer...I can babble and vent with the best of them. Gonna go now.

JenniferErix
03-31-2006, 10:00 AM
I feel ya, sista!

A commedian, (forgot his name) came up with a great catch-phrase for a t-shirt:

"America! 12 Million Illegal Aliens Can't be Wrong!"

Amen!

Everyone is welcome, just be a team player, that's all.

Ava Rose
03-31-2006, 10:50 AM
I remember that, Jennifer! That is so funny. Like you, I agree, on the team or out of the country. No room or that. I woudn't expect to jump on a plane to Germany and then live off the German government.

Jackie
03-31-2006, 10:56 AM
Nor would I expect to go to a predominately Muslim country, and then gripe about Muslim religious holidays, or that people didn't go out of their way to accomodate my minority religious view.

JenniferErix
03-31-2006, 10:58 AM
I think the commedian was Jamie ... something... Dayng it! I will remember when it becomes irrelevant. Arrgh! Hate that.

Anyway...
I think most people agree that we love new people, just please #1. Be a team player and #2. Stop bad mouthing us.

What I am wondering is, how do they exactly plan to impliment this law? Are they goin got toss out all illegals? How? Images of "Jew Trains" fly in my head and scares me.

Pres Bush says he will NOT sign for amnesty, so this means they send everyone home, right? And what about the kids who were not born here, but might as well had been. They came when they were 1 or 2 years old and grew up as American as you and I. What do we do? Rip them out of soccer practice, slap a green, yellow and white flag on their chest and push them all on immigration busses?

I ask, because something is fishey, here....
Without an implementation plan.... I smell a rat.
Something tells me the Pres could be "Catering" to his conservative base, but he may have a trump card to passify his mexican friends. Comprende?

It's getting weird!

JenniferErix
03-31-2006, 11:06 AM
Nor would I expect to go to a predominately Muslim country, and then gripe about Muslim religious holidays, or that people didn't go out of their way to accomodate my minority religious view.

Can you even FATHOM going to Iran and parading in the streets in shorts and a tank top to protest that you should have the RIGHT to do whatever it is you want to do??!!!

Good Lord!
They will execute you if you convert to Chritianity. This is insane. And to be quite rude, I think they (In general) are simple mentally ill. These people are living in the times of the Salem Witch Hunts, folks. Hello!!??

And by the way, if illegal Mexicans spent HALF their time WHOPPING azz in their own country to fix it, as they do parading around on our streets about how life is unfair, they would have no problems!

God bless'm all, and stock up food for the comming war!
(Sort of joking)

HomeschoolG'ma
03-31-2006, 12:19 PM
Actually, on my post about "normal american kids," I was still typing but I had hit the tab or something and it posted. I started to continue my post on a second post, but decided I had said enough. Personally my own son that is in college is completely deaf in one ear. So I hear you about disabilities, and that was not my point, however, I do not feel a student with a disability should get practically free education either. We all have our own burdens to bear, be it a disabled child, or low income or whatever. I am personally paying $23,000 a year for my son to go to college (loans), the missionary kids are going free, the school is teaming with people from other countries that are going free and they will not even be an asset to America. They (the government, the university, the scholarships) treat certain people with an education, while working class caucasion American kids pay out the nose, or more typically, do not even get the privilege. I know many good students that because they could not get one of these scholarships, grants, etc. did not get to attend college. I think they are given to the wrong students for the wrong reasons.

Ava Rose
03-31-2006, 12:57 PM
Homeschool G'ma I totally agree! I hope you can see why I was confused by your wording. I often tell my husband that I get frustrated with the gvt. giving $ for people not to work. Welfare people go to school free and have free child care. People who are trying thier hardest to make ends meet and not live off the gvt. are left to fend for themselves. Geesh, I could go on but I have to go again. Friday is normally a fun day here but the kids are considering fun being with mom. Guess I should appreciate that while it lasts. :)

Jackie
03-31-2006, 01:53 PM
My mom was a probation officer. She had girls who would sign up for college classes, the government would pay for them, and they would wait for about a week and drop out. So now the school "owed" them the money back for the class. They would go to the Bursar's office and be given a check for the amount of the class! This was a scam they'd do every quarter, and there was nothing Mom could do about it.

Ava Rose
03-31-2006, 04:10 PM
jackie, that is just insanity. I have thousands of dollars in loans to pay off. Wish I would have known all I had to do was commit a crime and my schooling would be free. Oh.....wait...better yet...they will actually pay me not to take the class I sign up for.

JenniferErix
03-31-2006, 04:38 PM
We need to re title this thread, "How to be pissed off, without really trying".
:lol:


Anyone want to get in on the emminant domain debate?
:roll:

I knew the country was in trouble with this ruling last year.

The highest court of the land decided that LOCAL municipalities (Those who would benifit from increased funds) were allowed to remove small business owners, property owners and homeowners from their property.... if they could simply prove that by doing so, a developer can build something else on that property that would generate more tax revenue!

(Think: Kick granny out of her 100 year old home to build high end retail and condos)

So if a developer comes to your town, be carefull. He can swindle the local government (City counsel) that YOUR property, business, etc, would better serve the common good if GIVEN UP by you to develop into a higher tax revenue generator.

Yes, McCarthy.. The communists and Socialists HAVE taken over....
:shock:





My mom was a probation officer. She had girls who would sign up for college classes, the government would pay for them, and they would wait for about a week and drop out. So now the school "owed" them the money back for the class. They would go to the Bursar's office and be given a check for the amount of the class! This was a scam they'd do every quarter, and there was nothing Mom could do about it.

JenniferErix
03-31-2006, 04:49 PM
You know the reality is....

All of the race based, and "Ability" based aid in America is based on an outdated and completely ancient world that does not exist anymore.

For example; A man in a wheelchair would be given a school scholarship to help him have a chance to go to school, and rightly so, because the world was different back then. He would not have had a chance to suceed in life if not given the help up.

There is NOTHING holding them back in todays world, and so why is there a special fund for folks like this?

I am NOT trying to be insensitive.
I am stating what MANY people fear to ask:

If you go on about how you are not hadicaped, and that life can't contain you and there is nothing you can't do, aside from walk up stairs, then why do you NEED a scholarship? This is not the 1850's when you would have been shunned..... this is the 21st century when you folks are winning basketball games in the olympics!

So get off Momma America's teet!
"Oh No She DIDN'T! :shock:

Syele
03-31-2006, 08:01 PM
oh a soapbox haven thread! lol

Can i jjoin in and post one of mine? three Julys ago I decided to go to my citys 4th of July festival. Upon arriving I discovered it was not a "festival" but was , in fact, a "Fiesta!" Now I normally have NOTHING against spanish so I didn't say anything just took my little toddling child in the gates settled us down on a blanket and prepared for a concert and Fireworks in our of my country. One hour later I had yet to hear an English somg from any of the bands that had played. When finally one came up to sing in english I thought "Ah! I can understand the lyrics now!" Boy, was I disappointed! the lyrics for this family event (um I mean Fiesta) were basically "Little girls, please pull your panties down" over and over. Having heard the mayor would speak after this band.. I stayed despite the fact I was beging to get upset. The band who sang in English finished their show with a chat.. getting the huge crowd involved. The Chant was "PROUD TO BE MEXICAN!!!!!!! PROUD TO BE MEXICAN!!!!!!! PROUD TO BE MEXICAN!!!!!!!" Wild Cheering ensued all around me. I kid you not.

The mayor then gets up and begins his speech by talking about how great the bands have been thus far and how they are such a heartwarming representation of our area. He then introduced a woman who sang the national anthem. No response at all from the crowd. Some talked thru it! At this point I double checked my cell phone clock to see if it was in fact, the 4th of July and not Cinco De Mayo.
I had not made a mistake and this was in fact the correct event.. the city sponsered 4th of July celebration. I left Without waiting for the fireworks. on my way out I heard another band start up.. of course I couldn't understand a word they sang.. it wasn't in english.

All the talk the next day , was about how great it had all been. I mentioned not liking that 95% of it was in Spanish.. I was labeled a bigot. Funny, I don't go to the Cinco de Mayo Fiesta and chant how great it is to be american.. <LET ME HAVE MY 4TH OF JULY PARTY>

So her you are my friends.. the Wite trash bigot in your midst!


Hmm do I sound angry and bitter? I suppose I am. All my life I'm taught the value of treating everyone as equals, of having a country full of diversity. That mankind is all made in God's image, that the freedoms in our country are good and just. but what I see is a hostile takeover. Affirmative action binds me from complaining. Past hurtfulness towards other races nulls all my current rights to equality. People in america are no longer equal, Some of us are busy being oppressed as a punishment for the sins of our forefathers. though I think some of those "sins" may be exaggerated at this point to keep things how they are.

I drove away that 4th of July night with fireworks in my rear view mirror and the thought "If they are so proud to be mexican, let them go back to mexico so I can celebrate one of my favorite holidays!"

I hope that this sort of thing is mainly because I live a 45 min drive from the mexican border. But fact remains I'M NOT IN MEXICO!

HomeschoolG'ma
03-31-2006, 08:38 PM
I hope that this sort of thing is mainly because I live a 45 min drive from the mexican border. But fact remains I'M NOT IN MEXICO!

Well, not yet!

JenniferErix
03-31-2006, 09:24 PM
Well, not yet!

Bwaa Haaaa Haaaa!

Syele
03-31-2006, 10:18 PM
Sorry just caught me on a bad day, I'm being immature today. I get tired of the envornment around here (my town not the forum) sometimes. I always feel like everything I say or even think is being analyzed for PCness anymore. Sami is darker skinned than me and so people, strangers, come and ask me blunt questions about her father. It's as bad as people rubbing your stomach just because you are pregnant! A bit too personal. Why should it matter what nationality her father was? Why should she get scholarships and/or other services just because that mans genes in her made her a little darker?

Is it like this everywhere now? or is it really just that I'm so close to the border?

It's frustrating being labeled a bigot and discriminatory because I want to celebrate MY Country on the 4th of July. Because I think Sami is no better or worse qualified for a school scholarship on the basis of race.

Why am I the only one who found that 'fiesta' odd and even objectionable? I just don't get it.

Ava Rose
03-31-2006, 11:21 PM
Syele---so well said! I loved your post. I was about to comment but realized I could not have said it better! Triple AMEN sister! Or should I say, my fellow american! What has happened to American pride???

Syele
03-31-2006, 11:28 PM
thanks Ava Rose. :)

*Syele goes and puts away her soap box before she gets into more trouble.

JenniferErix
03-31-2006, 11:33 PM
There is video of the Houston area High School students (Who "Protested" this week by walking out of school) shouting, "Latino POWER!" over and over while hitting their chests with their forearms and then extening the forearm out.

Ok, history teachers . . . Who does this remind us of?
Very Good, Adolph!
I shall send you home with a certificate for "Cult of Personality".

No, I do NOT want to go around shouting, "White Power." Anyone who shouts, " _______ Power" is a moron leming who doesn't even have the first brain cell needed to win an arguement.

Or they are a High School Kid From the PUBLIC EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM!
BWAAAA HAAAAA hAAAAA
(Show evil face, here!)

Ava Rose
03-31-2006, 11:43 PM
Syele, I feel your pain about Sami being darker than you. Except my situation is a bit different. My kids are bi-racial. My kids look white. However, I have had people ask me if my dh is the father of my kids or if he is the father of all my kids. People are so rude. I have plenty of those kinds of stories.

Syele
04-01-2006, 12:08 AM
Yeah what set me off this time was a lady came to me and said "Is her father hispanic?" I nodded yes and she said "Well I could just tell because the beautiful hispanic features she has!" She said it in a tone like the non-hispanic side of my dd was not beautiful. Truthfully I think Sami LOOKS very white( except in summer she tans Quick and dark), not only that.. line up her pictures with mine at that age and they are very close to identical. My step sister asked my dad what I looked like as a kid and he quietly pointed at Sami and said.. "well you see her there running around!" So my thought was 'WHAT hispanic features?' I'm german, czech, irish, scotch. and she looks like me. Her birth certificate and hospital records etc. list her as hispanic because of the two they automatically write down the minority one. I hate that. not because it's some other ethnicity than mine.. but for the same reason I hate the term bi-racial... Good grief! trace 90% of Americans ancestors and they will be found to have backgrounds for several diffrent cultural groups. My dd should be labeled an AMERICAN over any other ethnic or cultural label! Why does every thing have to be an us and them attitude?

Ava Rose
04-01-2006, 12:20 AM
She is precious! yea, I am not thrilled with the term bi-racial. If you saw my kids you would never guess they were anything but white. However, because they are part black they seem to be considered black. Why is that? My dh is mostly native american or indian or whatever and black. Olivia has skin as white as mine and hair as red as mine. my son has skin that looks more like a tan but his hair and features are totally white. My other daugther looks like she only partook of my dna. ugh, the whole race thing is crazy. For the most part, we have no problems. But people presume they can ask personal questions. That is annoying.

Syele
04-01-2006, 12:52 AM
Frankly, I think it's silly I mean .. we don't look like a biracial family. And even if we did.. SO WHAT? and they presume thay can do more than ask questions. They assume that since she is 'biracial' I'm they can demand how I'm going to teach her hispanic culture! What do I know of hispanic culture? what do I know of GERMAN culture for that matter? We are all Americans. Maybe since you are married you and your Husband can teach the kids stuff about both points of view, but I think the "melting pot' so to speak has long since melted! My dad can trace his side of the family back to some of the first american settlers... some of them owned slaves, some were adamantly against it. Some of them intermarried so that there is black racial ancestery in our blood line as well. That counts as black? HAHA I don't look black! Oh wait because I look white I must fall to the side of the slave owners instead of the side of the slaves in my family history? What weird concepts come from the ways we do things in this country! My grandma's family is all Czech. Came to America fairly recently (less than 90 years ago) Had to sit in segregated classrooms.. Whites on one side and Bohemians on the other. our family was not considered white back then. Why did bohemian stop being segregated? Um we look too much like everyone else.

And all this is why marching around declaring "Latino Power!" and staring 4th of jult chats about being "proud to be MExican" is so ridiculous. So some people in my family history were slaves and some had to sit on the opposite side of classrooms and some had to walk on the other side of the road, some were arrested for making poppy seed kolaches! Do we teach our kid then that the world is out to get them over race or that history makes others owe them something? No! We teach them that life is unfair, bad things happen, and what they do affects others as well as themselves no matter if it's for the good or the bad.

It's time to stop all this silliness and PC stuff. I dare them to prove I'm white. (My foundation is labeled Alabaster, perhaps I should put that on these forms that insist on asking my ethnicity!) I dare them to prove my daughter is hispanic. I just wish I had a really good, comeback to their stupid prying. but I'm never good at combacks.. just long rants. LOL

JenniferErix
04-01-2006, 02:20 AM
There was a really interesting program on PBS, receintly, about "Where did you com from "? It was a program, where the interviewer took dna samples from popular black americans (Oprah, Mae Jemison, whoppi Goldburg, and others). They then traced back their matichondrial (SP?????) DNA (Mother's side DNA) and traced their ancestry back as far as possible. One "Side effect" to this work ,was that they were able to tell the folks, how "Black" they were.

Funny stuff....
Whoopi is nearly all black.
Mae Jemison was actually surprized to learn she was 60% Aisian. Come on honey! Look at your face, you are a cupie doll! (Even the interviewer was shocked that she did not see it.
Oprah was wrong about which tribe she came from, and seems a bit disapointed about it.
Some discovered their anscestors were sold by BLACK slave traders ion Africa and some were owned by BLACK clave owners in America.

It was facinating.
If I find the program I will post the name...
It was run in Jan - Feb on PBS

EDIT:
HERE IT IS>>>>
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/index.html

Syele
04-01-2006, 02:35 AM
hmm that looks really interesting. :) I found it here:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/aalives/

go Google! hehe

Jackie
04-01-2006, 08:11 AM
Maybe it's different for you down near Mexico, but here so many people don't think twice about bi-racial kids anymore. (Or maybe just the ones I hang around don't....?) We go to a church that pulls from both Black and white, and have several friends that are in a "mixed" marriage. My children have somehow started refering to African Americans (my attemp to being PC, lol!) as "dark": "Did you meet that new 'dark' girl's parents today?"

We're also reading "Roll of Thunder, Hear My Cry". It's been a real eye-opener for my kids, to see even in this fictional account the prejudice and bigotry. There's a white boy that is very friendly with the kids. Phillip mentioned to Carl that he thought this white boy was "in love" with the black girl. I explained that no, he wasn't. Carl went on to explain that a black and white person "loving" one another at that time would probably end up with both of them being killed. Phillip replied, "THAT'S CRAZY!!!"

Syele
04-01-2006, 08:56 AM
lol th e hings people try to use.. "dark" right off reminds me of the old term "colored" which is not PC anymore. What I noticed around here is that white people are afraid to use skin color when describing people. They will describe a person with any other physical charastics they can think of (tall, short, thin etc. ) The other day I finally got frustrated and asked "Is she black?" Startled she said yes. I'm like come on people! It was a description so I'd know who she was talking about.there are very few people around here that are black.. just saying so saved her lots of description because then I knew who she ment this way. Some people are afraid to even talk anymore.

Jackie
04-01-2006, 10:09 AM
When they were little, they had a friend who was biracial. One day we got talking, and I said something about someone being "black", and Rachael, about 5 at the time, had no idea what I meant. So I explained that this particular person had "black" skin. She was still confused. So I said, "You know, like Mr. J's skin. He's black, too. His skin is a lot darker than ours." I honestly think she never really noticed him in those terms. To her, he was just Susie's dad!

Hoosier Mama
04-01-2006, 10:49 AM
I have a niece and 2 nephews who have a white mom and a black dad. My kids are extremely close to them and they were probably around 1st grade when they realized their skin was different than theirs. When they asked about it, I, too, said something about them being "black". My kids immediately said "They are not black...they are light brown!" I just had to laugh...they didn't get how I could think they were "black"...they were clearly "light brown"!

I agree with Jackie, people around here don't think a thing about it either! But I do think people are afraid to talk about it for fear that they will sound racist or judgemental. It's funny, though, because the more you try NOT to be that way, ususally makes you seem more that way! KWIM?

Syele
04-01-2006, 12:02 PM
I'm sure kids ask about skin colors about the same as they ask other physical apperance Questions. I get asked fairly often.. "Why are you fat?" or "why are you so big?" I usually just point out that they are so little ;) and that people are all diffrent, life would be boring if we all look exactly the same. little kids are just interested.

becky
04-02-2006, 02:55 PM
Syele, I'm thinking you overreacted at the lady who commented on Sammi's color. I bet she meant Sammi was lovely overall. Not every kid has that shiny, dark hair or lovely skin. The lady wouldn't comment on her whiteness because that's such a usual thing, if you can get what I'm saying.
NOW... I do think she was wrong to comment on her parentage. Why not just say she has lovely , dark hair? Lovely, dark eyes? If this was an older person, I can see it being a generational blunder.

I'm not sure if I ever posted it, but Kevin's bio father is black. He looks like he goes to the tanning salon year round. When we first started attending our church someone asked about this. I smiled and said he hangs out at the beach alot! I think it shows a lot of audacity to point out how a child looks from its parents.

It's worth mentioning that this same person was discussing the children of a paraplegic(SP?) in our church. This person said 'We all assumed the wife did all the work.' I was flabbergasted, but said nothing. Actually, I know the man well and I can bet the wife might have 'done all the work, but the husband was more than glad to coach!!

Syele
04-02-2006, 04:22 PM
Actually my area is over 65% hispanic/mexican so the white kids are starting to stand out lol.

It's possible I might have over reacted.. it's mainly that this isn't a one time incedent. I don't think her intention was to be rude.. she just was! I get it alot. most just walk up to me out of the blue and ask if her father is hispanic! I still am surprised each time. You'd think I'd just get used to it. It's just hard for me to fathom what people are thinking sometimes.
when they do it in front of Sami she looks them Straight in the eye and says, "I don't HAVE a father!" She says it in the same tone she'd use point out that she dosn't HAVE a toy dumptruck so why are people asking about her toy dumptruck? I wish she wouldn't though cause then they ask what happened to her father. Strangers just wander up and ask these things. I can't imagine having that kind of nerve.

becky
04-02-2006, 07:22 PM
Are you looking at the age of the person saying these things? I have found that people 60 and over are alittle free with vocalizing what they think in situations like this. Not all, mind you.
Well, you could knock their socks off and say no, her daddy isn't hispanic- her other mommy is!! That will shut 'em up!

Syele
04-02-2006, 08:36 PM
LOL nah they are all ages. I got another one yesterday too she was in her early 40's. HAd one in their 20's once.. but it's ALWAYS women.


Hehehe that comment might work. I was trying to think of a good answer. When I was single and pregnant people kept asking me "What are you gonna do with a baby?" It threw me the first several times or so, I was horrified they could be so rude and insensitive. Then more people would say it...finally I started answering right off "I'm gonna EAT it!" that shut 'em up.

It was funny to see their reactions.

Jackie
04-02-2006, 09:18 PM
My ex-boyfriend was on town once, LONG ago, with his 3YO daughter. We met for lunch. The daughter had beautiful blond hair, while mine is VERY dark, and the guy's is a light brown. The waitress assumed we were married, and asked how we managed such a blond child. I wanted SO BAD to tell her "Oh, she's not ours! We just picked her up at the mall...."

Ava Rose
04-02-2006, 11:09 PM
My dh and I have been married for 9 years and dated for three years before that. In all that time we only had two times where race was in issue. Well, if you count my parents, three. My parents were completely against the idea. I never gave race a second thought. Never meant much to me. My kids haven't had any issue either. However, like I said, they look white. Not like "light" skinned. Two are as light as I am and I am very fair. The other is tan. So, when they are with me, people would assume they were white. However, when they are with my dh and still don't seem to have any problems.

Syele
04-03-2006, 12:46 AM
I wanted SO BAD to tell her "Oh, she's not ours! We just picked her up at the mall...."


LOL oh,Jackie, I needed a good laugh! hehe maybe I'll try that next time.

Stangers can ask the Dumbest questions. I suppose I should just try and ignore it.. Once whan a blind friend and I were out with my mom the lady asked the worker at the cafeteria we were eating at what entree's were available.. the Server said "What? are you BLIND or something??" Well, actually.... LOL :roll:

Hmm I seem to have dragged us off topic pretty far from pre-schools! :eek::oops:

JenniferErix
04-03-2006, 12:58 AM
I have identical twins . . . Insert 100000 rude, anoying, invasive and stupid comments here.... You can imagine the stuff we got.... man....
Bottom line, People have foot in mouth disease. and it is spreading!



LOL oh,Jackie, I needed a good laugh! hehe maybe I'll try that next time.

Stangers can ask the Dumbest questions. I suppose I should just try and ignore it.. Once whan a blind friend and I were out with my mom the lady asked the worker at the cafeteria we were eating at what entree's were available.. the Server said "What? are you BLIND or something??" Well, actually.... LOL :roll:

Hmm I seem to have dragged us off topic pretty far from pre-schools! :eek::oops:

Ava Rose
04-03-2006, 09:20 AM
Jackie, I am going to try that line next time! I have only got a few questions here and there but that is funny. I am pretty blessed since overall, I only get told that my family is beautiful. (which of course I agree. lol) Who knows what they say as they are walking away though....

HomeschoolG'ma
04-03-2006, 09:56 AM
The last part of this thread really ought to move over to the "other converstaions" slot where others might want to join in.

Jackie
04-05-2006, 08:59 PM
Just read an interesting op-ed from HSLDA on the topic! (The ORIGINAL topic, that is, G'ma! :angel: )

http://www.hslda.org/elink.asp?id=2954

HomeschoolG'ma
04-06-2006, 12:12 AM
Wow. Jackie, that said it all. BTW, Oklahoma was not on the list of states that hve introduced bills for compulsory education for four year olds, but they have tried many times and I believe they do it every year. Of course, they might not need to since I guess the state already "believes" in it. Thanks for the link.

Marylyn_TX
04-06-2006, 10:16 AM
My hair is more grey than brown now (my dad started going grey when he was 16 and bald when he was 19... we got the better half of the deal. LOL I had my first grey hairs when I was 17.) and I often get asked if my daughters are my grandkids. I am 37, so I'm older than most moms with toddlers, I suppose, but not THAT much older! LOL

Jackie
04-06-2006, 10:45 AM
YOU'RE THAT OLD???

Gosh, when does Diane turn 40? You'll have to come home to Ohio to give her a hard time! Marilyn, you will NEVER look old as long as you have that bright smile. And your girls will help keep you young. Phillip keeps me young, although Faythe does her darndest to age me, lol!

Marylyn_TX
04-06-2006, 01:06 PM
ROFLOL... Yep, I'm THAT old! Diane is exactly one year and 5 days older than I am, so she still has a year and a half before she turns 40. We need to throw her a big party on that birthday. :)

Big news today!! During her speech therapy session, Katie pointed to yellow, blue and purple pegs and said "lello, boo, purple!" That's the first time she has named any colors. YAYYYYYY!!! :D

Jackie
04-06-2006, 01:30 PM
GOOD FOR KATIE!!! Maybe we should have the party 6 months after Diane's 40th and celebrate both of your dotage at the same time......

Marylyn_TX
04-06-2006, 02:33 PM
LOL That would be fun, too. I suppose we should stop hijacking this thread, huh? ;)

Syele
04-06-2006, 03:28 PM
ROFL I think this thread is permanently hijacked...

JenPooh
04-13-2006, 03:08 PM
OMGoodness, did I miss this! Where have I been?!? First, thank you Jackie for the kind comment. I have found many positives with children being in a home atmosphere while learning at the same time (who would have thought hey? learning in a home?) and giving them structure. I see the way the kids learn so much more faster and easier than if they were in a larger center with 4 times as many kids and only one teacher. Now, don't get me wrong, my passion is to still start the daycare in my church because that is where my heart is. I can touch so many more people that way. But, being with Tanner and these other kids I have known since they were babies, has been a great and rewarding experience. These kids are so darn smart it's crazy, and I attribute it to them being in a small group with lots of one on one attention...something you just can't get in a public pre-k classroom.

I think that people are very fixed on education, and they should be, but others have such a radical view on the other side. I have met parents who would never give a homecare the time of day because they don't trust someone alone with thier kids, or they think we "babysit". It's the ones that ARE like that, that give people like me a bad rep. I take pride in what I do, and not all home providers do that.

I have also met parents who think because a pre-k is in a public school, it "MUST" be the best. UGH! I hate that. People are fooled, and they fall for what the schools "claim" to be like. Now, I understand that parents just do what they have to do. Like Becky said, sometimes people don't have the choice. But it's the ones who are not informed and brainwashed by the public school label, and parents who just like to ship their children off because they "can't handle" their children that make me cringe.

It's all about making the right choice for your child and finding what suites them best. We have some wonderful public schools, but we also have some terrible ones. It's up to the parents to dig and find out information because you can never judge a book by it's cover.

My two cents! Or five!;)

HomeschoolG'ma
04-13-2006, 04:53 PM
[QUOTE=JenPooh] It's up to the parents to dig and find out information because you can never judge a book by it's cover.QUOTE]

JenPooh, enjoyed your 5 cents worth! :)

Your statement goes for colleges, too. I will be putting a link on how to find a good college on the favorite links forum.

Liz

Umm-Layth
09-02-2006, 10:59 PM
Can you even FATHOM going to Iran and parading in the streets in shorts and a tank top to protest that you should have the RIGHT to do whatever it is you want to do??!!!

That is because in Iran or other more conservative Muslim countries one is taught that you have to stick to your religious principles since they try not to seperate religion from state. Sure, one can decide to do what they want but when it is spread around to others (i.e. homosexuality and the likes) then it brings about tremendous harms. That is why this country slowly is finding out that some of these freedoms are not so good after all.

Good Lord!
They will execute you if you convert to Chritianity. This is insane. And to be quite rude, I think they (In general) are simple mentally ill. These people are living in the times of the Salem Witch Hunts, folks. Hello!!??

If you mean they as in the iranians, then to you they may seem mentally ill because you have been raised up in America.

Umm-Layth
09-02-2006, 11:05 PM
Getting back to the subject.

I just started working at a day-care for a school and I bring my son with me and I take care of him as well. They just started a pre-k for 3 year olds and some of the women there wanted to make me put my son there and I refused to. They would say "why?" with such a face where you think they feel sorry you! I said, "Because I homeschool my son!"

One of them said, "But they do more activities then you will be doing with your son in the day-care and the kids under 3 years."

So I said with a smile, "Let me show you my son's backpack that we brought for our day at the day-care today!" And I took out the alphabet book with tracing paper, the finger-paints, the colored pencils, the crayons, the writing paper, the books on our letter of the week theme which include a science theme! Then I told her that at home we also have a technology class where we pick something and we go over its parts along with my incorporating of religious studies and making it the focus.

Let's just say she looked flabbergasted!

Ha =p

JenniferErix
09-03-2006, 12:56 AM
Welcome to the table!
Haven't met you yet, but welcome!

I read your comments.....
Sorry, but your second comment seemed like a "Yea, well you're ugly, too!" kind of desperate comeback with no real meaning.

It made no sense.
"If you mean they as in the iranians, then to you they may seem mentally ill because you have been raised up in America."

SO!
It goes like this......

Anyone who wishes to KILL someone, JUST because the are a different religion IS MENTALLY ILL.


Sadly, there are freaks in every religion, who ruin it for the rest of us.


Sorry, if you miss-understand that comment and thus, feel the need to attack, but it is a fact. Mental illness comes into play when people want to SLIT YOUR THROAT for praying o Jesus.

See hon, here in America, we LOCK UP people who talk and act out on that type of thinking. So don't atack me for saying it. In fact MOST of the world, would do the same.

Just to refresh everyone's (And your) memory. the post of mine, that she is quoting (In it's entirety) . . . had nothing to do with Iraninan people....The post actually referenced how people can come to this country illegaly and yet openly protest in the streets.... And how, in comparison, you could not do the same in any other country.

Just thought I would clear that up for ya. :D


Gessh!
I hopped on here tonight and found this old post, popped up in my CP and felt like I got B**ch-Slapped by a stranger.

That was stupid.


Now, as you put it, Getting Back to the Subject . . .
Welcome to the table.

Why you felt the need to comment on such an old thread in such a negative way is beyond me.

But I read it.


jen








































That is because in Iran or other more conservative Muslim countries one is taught that you have to stick to your religious principles since they try not to seperate religion from state. Sure, one can decide to do what they want but when it is spread around to others (i.e. homosexuality and the likes) then it brings about tremendous harms. That is why this country slowly is finding out that some of these freedoms are not so good after all.



If you mean they as in the iranians, then to you they may seem mentally ill because you have been raised up in America.

Umm-Layth
09-03-2006, 01:15 AM
The reason why I commented on such an old thread is because I am new to the forums and I am reading every thread that I feel is interesting and if I feel that someone is incorrect based on my beliefs then I have every right to state it without being rude like you were just rude to me. I don't however, like to make my posts emotional and lose the point of the discussion which I feel you just did with your assumption that I was trying to attack you and basically cause some immature fight.

Me expressing myself and my opinion does not mean that I am here to cause a problem with you. Rather, it seemed like you were the one attacking people by calling them mentally insane for believing something that is from their religion.

As for the issue of killing someone who changes their religion from Islam to any other religion then I wonder if those who also embrace Islam from other religions knowing they are to be killed if they apostate are mentally-ill/insane.

And I knew what the point of your statements were. I had read the pages previously in full but I am not the type of person that likes to ignore what my heart doesn't feel right about. I hope you can understand that.

JenniferErix
09-03-2006, 02:34 AM
As for the issue of killing someone who changes their religion from Islam to any other religion
Dayng it, you did it again... You missunderstood. And this time, you have miss-quoted me.

Look, I am not trying to fight with you. I am simply trying to CORRECT YOU, because you have again MISS Understood my posts....

You are miss understanding what I am writing.

I did not say that "Killing someone who CHANGES their religion." as you argued...

UUggh!

I said, "Anyone who wishes to KILL someone, JUST because the are a different religion IS MENTALLY ILL.

Come'on!
I know that if you understood what I was saying that you wouold have to agree...

For example...
If Frank want to kill Bob, JUST because Bob is from a different religion, Frank has ISSUES! And needs mental help. In fact, in this and most countries, he would be locked up for expressing those sentiments, or especialy for acting on them.

But some religious freaks (Christians are not immune to this) some freaks decide they need to KILL people who believe differently than them.

Sorry. That is a clear case of mentall instability.

THAT is what I was saying in the post from MARCH.

If you dissagree with the fact the "FRANK" would have ISSUES, then YOU have issues..

Geeesh!

Again...

Wanting to kill ANYONE JUST because they PRAY to a different God, is retarted.

This happens every day, and it bytes that good people (From ALL religions) have to put up with the minority of freaks who KILL, just because someone follows a different religion.

How could you possibly disagree with THAT?

It is as if you are thinkning I am saying something that I am not. It is as if you think I am saying.. geesh. I have no idea. But stop miss interpreting what I am saying. Please.

You're probably pretty cool and it would byte to miss out on knowing you simply because you miss understand what I write.

And yes, it felt like you attacked me. Which is why, in your next post after the one to me you wrote, Back to the subject at hand, as if you had to stop and "Deal" with me, first.

THAT was rude.
Now calm down.

I'm off to eat more chocolate.

Umm-Layth
09-03-2006, 02:41 AM
*never mind* I'm better off not even mentioning it. : )

It's okay, I will take a chill pill. Hopefully you will too.

JenPooh
09-03-2006, 12:13 PM
I know what you mean Jen!;) :D

JenPooh
09-06-2006, 07:51 AM
The reason I left this board a couple of months ago was because one person on this board is rude and blasts her self-righteous opinion all over it. The only reason I am responding to this one, is because I must still be inadvertantly subscribed to this one thread that I started and I got an email. I will be leaving again after this post.

I have 19 years of homeschooling experience under my belt, but the opinions of a fairly new homeschooler on a "homeschooling" forum seems to carry more weight. I guess "they" are right about the squeaky wheel.

Goodbye again,
Homeschool G'maI'm very sorry to hear that Liz. I've always enjoyed your responses and posts.

JenniferErix
09-06-2006, 09:02 AM
I was
#1 Miss-quoted.
and
#2. Stood up for myself

Just because you and I had a dissagreement a few months ago, is no reason for you to try to side slap me again when someone WHO MISSQUOTED ME dissagrees with me.

You seem to have an issue with just being nasty to people no matter what happens.

And what is completely sad is..... I soooo totally respect you. You do not believe me, but I do! I think you are marvalous. I think you know more in your right pinkie than I may ever know about homeschooling. But you won't hear that. You only concentrate on that fact that we dissagreed ONCE.

And yes, that is sad.

So, if you must leave, peace to you.

jen










The reason I left this board a couple of months ago was because one person on this board is rude and blasts her self-righteous opinion all over it. The only reason I am responding to this one, is because I must still be inadvertantly subscribed to this one thread that I started and I got an email. I will be leaving again after this post.

I have 19 years of homeschooling experience under my belt, but the opinions of a fairly new homeschooler on a "homeschooling" forum seems to carry more weight. I guess "they" are right about the squeaky wheel.

Goodbye again,
Homeschool G'ma

Hoosier Mama
09-06-2006, 11:52 AM
I wish it didn't have to be this way, HsGma...you are one of the people who drew me to this forum. I really appreciated your experience and wisdom you shared. Not to mention the respect I had for your willingness to hs your grandson.

There are always going to be people who "clash" ...that's just life, it's just a shame that people like me :) on this site can't learn from you now.

I hope you know how much you are missed.

JenniferErix
09-06-2006, 12:23 PM
I miss understood you ONCE, Ma'am.
And you have searched me out for punishment ever since.
You NEVER gave me the "Shadow of a doubt" That you speak of.
Not once.

This new lady miss-quoted me and therfore was upset over soemthing I DID NOT SAY.
I had a right to set the record strait. And you could not stand missing another chance to slap back at me.

WHY are you sooo nasty?

I even complimented you in my last post, as much as I could, simply to show you that I DO respect you as a homeschooler, but you are still so mean and nasty. I don't get it.

And everyone can see it.
So, I am done.














jen

Umm-Layth
09-06-2006, 06:16 PM
I miss understood you ONCE, Ma'am.
And you have searched me out for punishment ever since.
You NEVER gave me the "Shadow of a doubt" That you speak of.
Not once.

This new lady miss-quoted me and therfore was upset over soemthing I DID NOT SAY.
I had a right to set the record strait. And you could not stand missing another chance to slap back at me.

WHY are you sooo nasty?

I even complimented you in my last post, as much as I could, simply to show you that I DO respect you as a homeschooler, but you are still so mean and nasty. I don't get it.

And everyone can see it.
So, I am done.

jen

I don't know this lady and neither do I know you, but I do know one thing and that is that you seem to get very personal in your posts and expect people to treat you better. You want her to give you the shadow of the doubt as you said but here you are calling her nasty and then trying to act as if everyone is on your side but silent about it.

Why don't people learn to look at their faults first before going on about someone? I hate this type of mentality. We need to grow up.

JenniferErix
09-06-2006, 08:10 PM
Not once has either of you said, "Oh! This was a miss-inderstanding! Ok, no problem then. Good day!"

Nope.

It is obvious that you two have decided to gang up on me.
I am sorry you feel this way.


I disagreed with one lady, once.
I was miss-quoted by another lady.
And yet, you two have decided that I am some horrible person, who must be beaten down. You continue to miss-represent what I have said, even though everyone can read the thread and see for themselves.

No matter how much I compliment.
No matter how much I try to explain.
I am trash to you.

Therefore, I refuse to continue to fight with two people who have decided that I can do no right.

I wish someone else would stand up (In this playground) and make me feel less crazy.


Enjoy yourselves.....






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Emma's#1fan
09-06-2006, 11:48 PM
Don't be sad for me. I am not missing this forum at all. I am very happy on several other forums and my blog site. I really needed to be elsewhere with like-minded people.

And to be fair, I felt that this forum mostly had school-at-home people on it, and I rejected the textbook/workbook/early education philosophy and have adopted Charlotte Mason's.

I wouldn't not have responded to this, but I felt Umm-Layth, being "new" as she stated, needed an ally. It is very hard to be gracious when blasted with 1000 words in many colors. Intimidation is intended and usually works. THAT is the sad thing.

HomeschoolG'ma, I do not feel sad for you at all. You have chosen to rehash the past and bring a dark cloud upon, what I consider, a wonderful place for homeschool parents to come together. If Umm-Layth had a problem with what was being said then that is her choice. If we believe that Jesus is Lord and Savior then we need to step back and allow him to be judge. Nobody is accountable to any other person except to the Lord. None of us here are perfect and none of us can please everybody with what we write. We all have a choice to agree or disagree in love and with compassion.
I do not know you except by the recent posts that have been left. If you think that anybody is wrong then maybe you should take it to them through pm. I was going to say that it is none of my business but you brought your business to a forum that the world can view. I hope and pray that non-believers do not read these post and think, "Wow, is this what Christianity and homeschooling is about."
God bless you and I am glad you have found a forum that meets your needs.

In Christ's Love,
Patty

Hoosier Mama
09-07-2006, 07:06 AM
Well said Patty...I agree 100%

becky
09-07-2006, 07:14 AM
Poor Jen. I thought I was the black sheep around here..

To me, these people who grow up thinking it's fine to kill others who believe differently from them are not mentally ill, they are just brought up in that thought from baby on up. They don't know any better. Lost is a good word.

Somebody said let God judge them, and that's exactly right.

becky
09-07-2006, 07:16 AM
And as for people leaving this forum because they don't like someone-

Tigger said it best- 'TTFN.. Ta Ta For Now!'

JenPooh
09-07-2006, 08:07 AM
Well said Patty...I agree 100%Me too. Great words of wisdom.

Jen......I think both me and Becky can safely say, we've been here and done this before (right Beck:lol: ). Just breath and let it go.;) :love:

Deena
09-07-2006, 10:30 AM
Well, maybe I shouldn't comment, cuz I haven't been in this until reading it today. I just feel bad that people are hurt, and misunderstandings are not able to be settled! Whether I agree with everything you say or not, I still respect and appreciate each one of you! You can find bad if you want, or you can find good if you want, it's up to you.

I love this board. 99% of the time it's great and people get along well! The people that frequent this board are a big mix, with many different methods of homeschooling. I know many on here using CM type of schooling, and also some who use computer classes, and some who use workbook style. Whatever the case, I have learned a LOT from being here! I've homeschooled for 9 years, but I still learn things from those just beginning, and I hope that I have been able to help others with what experience I have.

Amanda has a post that says if you have problems with a thread or a poster, then just don't read that thread anymore, and skim over the posts of someone who may bother you. I agree with her post! I would rather nobody leave on any account, cuz we can all glean stuff from others. But I understand that some places can meet needs better than others.

So, if you're leaving, you'll be missed! If you're staying, welcome, glad to have you! I hope we can all get along!

JenPooh
09-07-2006, 02:21 PM
I guess I know how Jen feels because this has happened to me in another forum plenty of times. She is passionate when she writes. When we get passionate about something we tend to become very vocal, and one shouldn't be looked down for being passionate. Also, when we feel our comments have been taken wrong (like how Jen was misquoted, many times) we feel the need to defend ourselves until we know for certain that others understand our ground. If we took the time to try and understand each other with tolerence, then perhaps this whole silly arguement wouldn't have happened in the first place.;)

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bugsmommy
09-07-2006, 02:55 PM
Jen --you were misquoted and HSG'ma and UMM should have acknowledge that you were misquoted. Instead, they choose to get nasty and keep rehashing. They should not have treated you as such, because you were only correcting their misunderstanding and when it escalated you were defending yourself...if they can't see that in black and white......oh well, too bad for them....They should REALLY take the time and go back and check out the posts!
Shawna

sixcloar
09-07-2006, 03:34 PM
Amanda has a post that says if you have problems with a thread or a poster, then just don't read that thread anymore, and skim over the posts of someone who may bother you.

Thank you, Deena!

Umm-Layth
09-07-2006, 04:18 PM
Forgive me if I misunderstood you. But I think the problem was that you didn't clarify what you meant because what I quoted in my first post here - http://homeschoolspot.com/showpost.php?p=42983&postcount=72 seemed pretty clear. Other then that, I do apologize for misunderstanding anything but I don't apologize for speaking my mind, even if you felt it was meant in the way you explained here http://homeschoolspot.com/showpost.php?p=42991&postcount=74

I really hope that we can apply what we call people to, to ourselves. We are all human and this is one of my mistakes. But (this is for everyone as general advice) if you wish to tell someone not to misunderstand you (whether they did or not), then also don't twist their words either and try to dig for their intentions.

My post was a very simple post in regards to what was said and what I believe, not an attack or a desperate comeback.

And bugsmommy, I don't believe I got nasty. If you feel so, that's okay, I am not perfect. However, it seemed that I was jumped on with all of the assumptions and dissection of my post. Thank you though.

Umm-Layth
09-07-2006, 04:36 PM
And,

And yet, you two have decided that I am some horrible person, who must be beaten down. You continue to miss-represent what I have said, even though everyone can read the thread and see for themselves.

No matter how much I compliment.
No matter how much I try to explain.
I am trash to you.


I never said you were a horrible person and that you must be beaten down. And you aren't trash to me either.

This is what I dislike. Assumptions. I simply responded to a post and didn't like the assumptions you made and you fall into more. It is best to drop it now I believe.

KrisRV
09-08-2006, 08:18 AM
Wow, I read this thread over good, I was lost and had a hard time with it. I have to agree with Deena, I love this site, I understand there are alot of different people on here, that is why if you don't like something just over look it and don't post anything if you don't want to hurt anyones feeling. We have the right to overlook it. Take a few days away from the site if needed. I love everyone on here so this hard. Hang in there everyone.

HomeschoolG'ma
09-08-2006, 11:33 AM
I deleted my comments.

Emma's#1fan
09-08-2006, 12:01 PM
The reason I love this site is because we can learn so much from each other. As homeschoolers we are under attack by a world that cannot grasp why we do what we do. I find a lot of support and advice here that I honestly have not found elsewhere. I have been to a few other sites in the past and never stuck around because if people did not agree, it became a bashing party and it was harsh and cruel. I have had people disagree with me on this site as well but they have been kind and courteous and never put me down. I don't mind it if people do not see things my way just so long as we can still be kind to each other because this is what we should do for one another especially when we have a flawed world to contend with. This is why I really enjoy it here. It seems that for the most part, the people here are fun, loving, and uplifting. It is great!!!:D
I really like the idea that we all do things a bit different because we can teach each other something new. The one thing that we all have in common is our desire to raise and teach our little ones an education that is benificial to their lives.
What I thought was fabulous is that some people around here actually have relationships beyond the computer.
It shows that people really care for you.
God bless!!!
Patty

JenPooh
09-08-2006, 01:26 PM
I have to say, that out of the 4 forums that I frequent throughout the week, this one by far has the most caring, considerate, compassionate, and loving people on it. I feel like I can be myself here, to be honest. We may all have differences, different opinions, and all that jazz, but that is what makes us all who we are. Despite all of our shortcomings...because I know I definitly have mine:oops: ...I really appreciate everyone here.:love:

I also want to add, that whenever I post something here, especially when it's a prayer request, all of you lift me up in ways I don't get in any of the other forums. I always feel lifted up when I need it most.

KrisRV
09-08-2006, 09:05 PM
Very nicely said Jen. AMEN I feel the same you do about the forum everyone here is wonderful, I have made some really close, lovely and caring friends on here. They have helped me so much.

Syele
09-09-2006, 01:16 AM
This forum has a unique feel, we seem fairly close knit for a group of strangers on a forum. ;) This group is close more like my family is close. We all come from different perspectives and yet, I'm regularly impressed by the respect people usually pay one another around here.

Anytime a group gets close though, there will be times when someone gets offended, rightly and/or wrongly.

I have a really close family and we cram 25 people in one house for a week and a half every christmas and several days on labor day. I'd be lying if I said that no one ever gets in fights during these holidays. In fact, this last week I got in a yelling match with my step-dad right in front of everyone! the fights though don't tear our family apart. We learn from them. We learn more about one another that way. It can bring people closer if they just hang in there and don't bail. And later on down the line, the fights aren't what we remember. We remeber all the good things instead. It's be so cool if as a group here we'd learn from our quarrels and move on the same way instead of leaving.

The family feel here in the forums is what makes it so great! When people leave because of misunderstandings or an unthoughtout word here or there, it leaves a void. Makes the whole forum seem empty. like a member of the family is missing. :( HS G'ma I hope you will come back. I always enjoy your insights on things. It's nice having someone with so much HS exp. here.