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kbabe1968
02-14-2008, 07:27 PM
I know we've been talking about SOTW and MOH and such...

On one of the threads someone mentioned a multi-leveled US History curriculum....(actual curric...not just Charlotte Mason or Classical, I think).

Could you please refresh my old brain?

Still considering doing US History and comboing with Around the World in 180 Days - just stretching the latter over 2 or 3 years...so it's all covered by some point in time.

THANKS!

sixcloar
02-14-2008, 07:53 PM
I'd like to know what that one is, too.

KathleenS
02-15-2008, 08:46 PM
It's not only history - but what about KONOS? I'm planning on starting with their program in the fall. I'm definately not an expert, but I know that they have a unit study format for grades K-8.

Jackie
02-15-2008, 09:16 PM
We're doing "All American History Vol. 1" this year, and plan on doing vol. 2 next year. I'm doing all three kids at once. It's OK, but a bit more "textbooky" than I like, much more than I'm use to with MOH!

kbabe1968
02-15-2008, 10:01 PM
Thanks Jackie. I found one of them in the thread...now I can't remember what it was called!

All American History - isn't that the same publisher as MOH???

I was thinking for my 4th grader (she will be next year) I could do a "Child's Story of America" and let my 2nd grader do "History for Little Pilgrims" and find areas where they overlap. Thoughts/ Anyone heard of them?

Thanks for the KONOS recommendation. I've looked at it a bit. It's a lot like Sonlight, and I know that that approach would really squelch my kids natural desire to read. Anything that's made a "have to" becomes a "don't want to" so...I'd rather help them find library books that go along with what we're reading that they get to read for "fun" on their own time. Does that make sense. I'm sad, because both KONOS and Sonlight were how I thought I would teach when I first started homeschooling. I just know my kids and thier style, and that ain't it! (pardon the coloquialism BAD SPELLING TOO!!!)

Jackie
02-16-2008, 07:10 AM
I've found it difficult to use more than one and overlapping. I tried to do it with I think "Beautiful Feet" Primary and Intermediate together, and it REALLY didn't work for me! I also have a copy of "A Child's Story of America" (garage sale for $4!) and I am using it a little, in addition to All American History. I'm planning on reading the chapter on Jonathon Edwards and the Great Awakening on Monday. I also have another Abeka workbook (The American People and Nation...another $1 garage sale purchase!) that I've had Phillip do a little in.

Yes, All-American History is published by Bright Ideas Press, same as MOH.

rmcx5
02-16-2008, 08:33 PM
I'm sad, because both KONOS and Sonlight were how I thought I would teach when I first started homeschooling.

Glad I'm not the only one. I got SL Core 3 for my girls and it just is NOT a good fit for the younger one. My oldest likes it but it's almost impossible for me to be consistent with her in using it. Yes, she can do it by herself but gleans so much more if we do more of it together than independently. She's done well and we've added a VA history worktext and that has stretched it out....but we're still not making it work as well as I thought it would.

She has read lots of other historical fiction this year so she's gotten plenty of history...just not early Am. Hist. as planned (not that it's a bad thing.....just not the plan, kwim?)

I knew we were not a KONOS family but really hoped we could Sonlight a bit better. My middle daughter is just a textbook sort of kid when it comes to history. She wants just the basic facts (she doesn't like history at this point).

That's why I can't decide what we'll do after Core 3...move onto Core 4 for the oldest or try something different. I think I'll check out what you're using Jackie. I've heard of MOH but not All American History.

Rhonda C.

rmcx5
02-16-2008, 08:47 PM
We're doing "All American History Vol. 1" this year, and plan on doing vol. 2 next year. I'm doing all three kids at once. It's OK, but a bit more "textbooky" than I like, much more than I'm use to with MOH!

Do you have Vol 2 yet? I can't find it available on their website or anyone else's but the info sheet said it would be available about Nov 2007....guessing its been delayed?

SL Core 3 goes thru about 1850 so Vol 2 would be about right for my oldest (who will be in 5th next year).....might be able to use Vol 2 and add some of the SL readers from Core 4......hmmm.....gonna have to ponder and wait and see :lol:

Rhonda C.

Jackie
02-16-2008, 09:10 PM
Oh, no!!! I want All-American Vol 2 next year (Freshman), Notgrass World (Sophmore), Notgrass U.S. (Junior), and a half year of Notgrass Government (Senior). If All-American isn't out, that will really mess it up!!!

rmcx5
02-17-2008, 12:36 PM
Oh, no!!! I want All-American Vol 2 next year (Freshman), Notgrass World (Sophmore), Notgrass U.S. (Junior), and a half year of Notgrass Government (Senior). If All-American isn't out, that will really mess it up!!!

Don't stress yet....I'm sure they'll have it out by next year (if they originally posted avail. Nov 2007). Surely they aren't a full year behind.

Vol 1 says 5-8th grade.....do you think it's (VOl1 or 2)too hard for a 5th grader? My oldest would be using Vol 2 starting sometime during 5th grade....whenever we finish SL Core 3. She loves history and historical fiction and reads above grade level.

Decisions, decisions......gotta love them!

Rhonda C

Jackie
02-17-2008, 12:52 PM
I think it would be fine for a 5th grader, but the text reading is a bit dry. I usually read the text book out loud to all three kids, and we do the Activity Pages together. I REALLY supplement with a lot of literature. I usually have one historical fiction I'm reading aloud to them (if not two!), plus they all are given an "required reading" book to read on their own, usually having to do with history, too.

rmcx5
02-17-2008, 01:14 PM
I think it would be fine for a 5th grader, but the text reading is a bit dry. I usually read the text book out loud to all three kids, and we do the Activity Pages together. I REALLY supplement with a lot of literature. I usually have one historical fiction I'm reading aloud to them (if not two!), plus they all are given an "required reading" book to read on their own, usually having to do with history, too.

Good. I was bit nervous there for a minute. I think if we do go with Vol 2, I'd probably add some of the Sonlight readers, etc. She does fine with "dry" as long as we can then spice it up with other books, field trips, etc.

Rhonda C.

Deena
02-17-2008, 07:04 PM
What about something like these?

http://www.homeschoolinthewoods.com/HTTA/TTS/ (Explorers, Colonial Life, American Revolution)

kbabe1968
02-17-2008, 07:49 PM
Those look cool, Jackie! My middle is a little too young, I think....but....hmmmm...

They do look really cool!

:) THANKS!

Jackie
02-17-2008, 10:00 PM
Does she only have three, Deena?

Deena
02-18-2008, 12:44 AM
Does she only have three, Deena?Ummmm, right off the bat that's all I saw. But don't you think Phillip would like those? I dunno. I'm thinking my dd might like it as we do those things in History. I haven't taken that plunge yet, though.

Jackie
02-18-2008, 07:36 AM
Yes, he would. But I'm thinking of NEXT year, and we'll be past that. We'll be starting the Revolution any time now.

kbabe1968
02-18-2008, 08:40 AM
Jackie - yeah, it looks like only those three...but if you investigate the site a little, they have a lot of timeline stuff, too.

Jackie
03-04-2008, 01:06 PM
I contacted Bright Idea Press about Vol. 2 of All-American History, and they had told me that they were hoping it'd be out soon. Today I got the following update from them:

Greetings, friends!

Today, we have good news. The Student Reader is IN OUR WAREHOUSE! The Student Activity Book will be arriving this week. We are now accepting pre-orders. We will be sending out the Student Reader and Student Activity Book as soon as both have arrived. To those who order the set, we will send the Teacher’s Guide under separate cover as soon as it is available.

To order, please call our customer service number at 1-877-492-8081.

We hope to also be able to take orders on our website soon.

Blessings,

Melissa E. Craig

www.homeschoolblogger.com/MelismaTo4

Bright Ideas Press

www.BrightIdeasPress.com

Deena
03-04-2008, 02:31 PM
COOL JACKIE!!! Thanks for the update!

ETA: Jackie, get off the phone with them!!! Every time I try to call it's busy! ;) No way to do it online? I looked but didn't see anything, so probably not yet.

That blog site has a supposed link to Bright Ideas Press, but it won't go through.

I'm not having much luck! :(

Another ETA: I GOT THROUGH! So I'll be receiving the first two pieces soon, and the TG when it comes out. She said in a month or so... YAY! :D

rmcx5
03-04-2008, 02:33 PM
Thanks Jackie!!! Still debating but at least it'll be available by the time we're done with SL Core 3 (whenever that is).

Rhonda C.

Jackie
03-04-2008, 03:23 PM
OK!!! *I* finally got through, Deena, and I'm blaming it on YOU!!! (Honestly, I got through right away.) When I gave my address as Ohio, she asked, "And have you voted yet today?" I did order a complete set, and just before I was going to hang up, I realized that I hadn't ordered THREE activity books! Am so glad I remembered before I hung up! Oh, and I also asked her what the latest on MOH 3 was; she said hopefully this May.

TeacherMom
03-05-2008, 10:01 AM
I've found it difficult to use more than one and overlapping. I tried to do it with I think "Beautiful Feet" Primary and Intermediate together, and it REALLY didn't work for me! I also have a copy of "A Child's Story of America" (garage sale for $4!) and I am using it a little, in addition to All American History. I'm planning on reading the chapter on Jonathon Edwards and the Great Awakening on Monday. I also have another Abeka workbook (The American People and Nation...another $1 garage sale purchase!) that I've had Phillip do a little in.

Yes, All-American History is published by Bright Ideas Press, same as MOH.

Jackie becautious with the Childs story of America cause in the clinton part its pretty graphic. Thats why we chose not to use it.

TeacherMom
03-05-2008, 10:04 AM
okay where can I see this so I know what it looks like?

Jackie
03-05-2008, 10:55 AM
I read it! Nothing I can't deal with, but it sure helps to BE PREPARED for such things! Thanks!!!

Deena
03-06-2008, 12:08 AM
I guess we weren't talking about Notgrass on here. I couldn't find it...oh well.......

Okay, I finally got around to showing my dh the Notgrass History stuff. He said to go for it if I feel that's what's best! COOL! :D

So now I'm wondering which levels to do when, since he'll be in 10th grade next year when he starts it. I s'pose I COULD order it now and go through it all from when we get it, and on through the summer. But then I'd be cutting off what he's doing for History now....

Jackie, why are you doing it in the order you are---because of the chronological order?

TMom, how's it going with your dd?

Now that I have the green light, I want to find out all I can about it, and order it. I looked around and didn't see any used. Have you guys seen it used?

Jackie
03-06-2008, 07:19 AM
I've seen it used on Vegsource, Deena! World or US?

We're doing US right now, this year and next with All-American. That will be 8th and 9th for Rachael. After that, I figure she'll want a break from US, and so I will put her in Notgrass World on her own. My younger two will be doing MOH 3. Then the next year, Rachael will do Notgrass US, not sure about the younger two. Then we'll do Notgrass Government possibly her Senior year, though it's only a half-year course. Or maybe do a co-op class on Christian World View.

Deena
03-06-2008, 10:19 AM
I'm thinking World, for the same reason as you stated. He loves World History, so maybe that'll keep him going well. Course, he just loves history.

Actually, the American History would go well with what we've been studying so that would be okay too. Then he'd have World the next year, to give him a break from American, and do the government one after that. That's probably sort of mixed up though?

Anyway, if you see either World or American, let me know!

TeacherMom
03-06-2008, 10:48 AM
I guess we weren't talking about Notgrass on here. I couldn't find it...oh well.......

Okay, I finally got around to showing my dh the Notgrass History stuff. He said to go for it if I feel that's what's best! COOL! :D

So now I'm wondering which levels to do when, since he'll be in 10th grade next year when he starts it. I s'pose I COULD order it now and go through it all from when we get it, and on through the summer. But then I'd be cutting off what he's doing for History now....

Jackie, why are you doing it in the order you are---because of the chronological order?

TMom, how's it going with your dd?

Now that I have the green light, I want to find out all I can about it, and order it. I looked around and didn't see any used. Have you guys seen it used?

my dd is doing good, she is into her second book and we are into a pattern of working that is lazy but caused me to work harder now! She was so tired for a while it got boring she said, but that was when it was read read and she was not doing her written assignments, so now I am having her do extra work AND assigning her the work in her book, instead of allowing her to choose like we started out.
IF you are starting with grade 10 you would start with the World History. IT is soooo good! Thats what we are doing. Church history was very interesting, we did the begining first and all that, but it colorfully goes through the times of the world as well, She was in the Renasaunce time and this week is studying on Martain Luther and other 'church' beginings. I had her write out notes and answer some questions and she really enjoyed it so I may ask the people at Notgrass to add that into thier lessons more... suggesting to take notes while they read etc, I am thinking of the students who will do this totaly independant of a parents help of course,
over all it is very good curriculuim, but it has not taken us 3 hours since the beginging/ I can see how it would as we continue to add research time to our projects suggested and as I make her look up the Bible verses though. I will keep updating!

Deena
03-06-2008, 01:17 PM
Thanks TMom, I'm hoping it'll work with ds.

I found the American History by Notgrass on Vegsource Jackie! DH and I had decided to get just the school books, not the reading books. We have a couple of them, and most we could get at the library. This set for sale on Vegsource, though, has EVERYTHING, for a little less than the price I would pay for just the schoolbooks and quizzes/tests. So I e-mailed her that I was interested. We'll see if I get a reply and how much shipping will be, etc.

TeacherMom
03-06-2008, 01:30 PM
Thats what we did too, we went with the school books and then check otu the reading books from the library or half price books or some we already had...