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Jackie
01-24-2008, 09:09 AM
I am currently looking for Teaching Textbooks Algebra II for Rachael next year. While searching, I came across a post on some board somewhere that says you can only install it TWO TIMES. In other words, I buy it new and install it on my machine and use it. The next year, I sell/give it to a friend who then installs it on HER machine and uses it. But when she sells it to a THIRD person, it WILL NOT install on that machne! The post said that you can call in requesting some code, but ONLY if you can prove you bought it from the company to begin with.

Now, I don't know if this is true, but it REALLY bothers me! First of all, it means I cannot buy it used, just in case I'm not buying from an original user. And, what's more, I don't think it's any of their business if we sell/give away a product we're done using!

So has anyone else heard this, or have any idea how to find out if it's true?

MamaBear
01-24-2008, 09:25 AM
I am currently looking for Teaching Textbooks Algebra II for Rachael next year. While searching, I came across a post on some board somewhere that says you can only install it TWO TIMES. In other words, I buy it new and install it on my machine and use it. The next year, I sell/give it to a friend who then installs it on HER machine and uses it. But when she sells it to a THIRD person, it WILL NOT install on that machne! The post said that you can call in requesting some code, but ONLY if you can prove you bought it from the company to begin with.

Now, I don't know if this is true, but it REALLY bothers me! First of all, it means I cannot buy it used, just in case I'm not buying from an original user. And, what's more, I don't think it's any of their business if we sell/give away a product we're done using!

So has anyone else heard this, or have any idea how to find out if it's true?

I have heard this is becoming the norm. If the co only allows you to install twice, they make more $$ when the product is purchased again. KWIM?

dawninns
01-24-2008, 11:10 AM
Thsi is an issue that's really been irritating me for some time. There was a concept that a consumer used to have a right to do certain things with their purchases like resell it or make backup copies. Those ideas are slowly being eroded as companies do as was mentioned above and enact measures that don't allow most consumers to copy their own CDs, DVDs etc. Parcel that in with a copyright system that grants keeps things out of the public domain for far too long and I get angry.

sixcloar
01-24-2008, 12:11 PM
I've heard that, too. I want to use TT next year with ds, but I want to be able to use if for all 4 of my kids- without having to call the co. and get special codes and worry about proving I bought it from them. Plus, I'd like to buy it used!

Jackie
01-24-2008, 03:10 PM
OK! I found out! I actually CALLED them! That's true with 7th grade, but not for the upper classes. It has to do with the kids actually recording their answers onto the computer and things. I listened and then told her that I'd definately be sticking with Saxon then. I explained that I would need to use it with more than one kid, and I couldn't afford their VERY expensive program if I weren't able to sell it again later.

Carl says there's probably a code already out to get past it tht you can easily find on the internet, lol!

jacqlyn00
01-24-2008, 05:11 PM
Wow, I guess I wont be looking into Teaching Textbooks either. I have 4 kids and when possible I try using curriculum that I can pass down from kid to kid.

dawninns
01-24-2008, 06:19 PM
I have to do some on this. I can't think of how they'd manage it with a cd. Afterall, you're not adding any information to the cd. It must install something on the computer....I must consult higher geeks than I.

sixcloar
01-24-2008, 06:57 PM
UGH!! It's TT7 that I need for next year!!!

Hippychick
01-24-2008, 07:07 PM
Yes we are using the Pre-Algebra this year and the CD's are only for viewing. We have not recorded anything on the disks. Maybe I am missing something???????? Oh ok it is only for the younger ones.(5-6-7) But if you look on the site this is the info they give..
"Note on Number of Installations: You can install the Math 7 an infinite number of times on a computer, which means that as one child completes a school year, you can just reinstall and have another child do the course the next year. This allows the whole family to use a single Math 7 set. We have also allowed installation on a second computer to accommodate families who need two children to work on Math 7 at the same time. The program is designed to block installation on more than two different computers; however, if you need an additional installation because of a new computer purchase or to have more than two students use the product simultaneously, just call our office toll-free at 1-866-867-6284 and we can give you another installation privilege. Unfortunately, experience has taught us that the number of installations must be limited to protect against the use of a single product for an entire classroom. "

Unless I am reading this wrong. Which I do sometimes..
Blessings

Hippychick
01-24-2008, 07:39 PM
Is anyone now using the 5-7th ones? I will be needing Algebra (any next year) But I just did the 5th grade one with my 9 year old and she was getting it!! I was totally shocked, she takes over 1 hour to get 1 sheet done but sitting here she did all the ones they give you as samples in minutes. I may need to get this... Just wondering what others thought of the younger grade one? I do not mind getting a new code. It seems easy enough..

southernmom
01-24-2008, 07:45 PM
Yes we are using the Pre-Algebra this year and the CD's are only for viewing. We have not recorded anything on the disks. Maybe I am missing something???????? Oh ok it is only for the younger ones.(5-6-7) But if you look on the site this is the info they give..
"Note on Number of Installations: You can install the Math 7 an infinite number of times on a computer, which means that as one child completes a school year, you can just reinstall and have another child do the course the next year. This allows the whole family to use a single Math 7 set. We have also allowed installation on a second computer to accommodate families who need two children to work on Math 7 at the same time. The program is designed to block installation on more than two different computers; however, if you need an additional installation because of a new computer purchase or to have more than two students use the product simultaneously, just call our office toll-free at 1-866-867-6284 and we can give you another installation privilege. Unfortunately, experience has taught us that the number of installations must be limited to protect against the use of a single product for an entire classroom. "

Unless I am reading this wrong. Which I do sometimes..
Blessings

Ok are you saying on the Pre-Algebra one that you only view and/or listen to the CD and that you don't have the option of putting your answer into the computer? If that is the case does that mean you don't have the option of the cd showing you the solution for each problem?
Plus, I wonder why the limitations are only addressed as being on Math 7? Is that the only one that you actually put the answers in on? We use math 7 and love that format.
Ann

Hippychick
01-24-2008, 07:50 PM
Yes, We have a book to work in and the CD's are all the solutions ect..
"In addition to the step-by-step multi-media solutions manual, parents may purchase another set of CDs that contains both lectures—one for each of the 126 lessons in the textbook—and step-by-step multimedia explanations to the 5 practice problems that begin each problem set. These practice problems serve as hints to the very toughest problems in the book."

Here is the link.
http://www.teachingtextbooks.com/PreAlgebraReadMore.htm

I will have to say my daughter not only hated math but could not get it.. And she is doing AWESOME with this approach. Some days we do not use the disk but she likes to have the solutions (for the visual in her)

Jackie
01-24-2008, 08:56 PM
I talked with the lady. If your computer crashes and you would have to re-install that. My problem comes legally selling the set. If I use it and sell it, that person of course will legally install it on THIER computer. So if they sell it when they're done, the person who buys it CANNOT install it. And THAT is not fair!

Yes, the upper grades you don't put the answers on the computer. Rachael does her geometry out of the textbook (though she has the lectures if she'd rather watch them on the computer.) She then does the problems in the book. If there's a problem she's having trouble with, she can watch that problem being explained on the computer. Which means it's OK if Mom doesn't have ANY idea of how to solve it, lol!

I found Algebra II tonight for $150. I sent an e-mail and am waiting to hear back. Keeping my fingers crossed!!!

Hippychick
01-24-2008, 09:26 PM
I was thinking maybe knowing that when you sell it you could tell the next person to call and get the
another installation privilege for the next person. That is what I would do.. I am to honest when selling though I would hate for anyone to get screwed..KWIM....JUST A THOUGHT?

jacqlyn00
01-24-2008, 11:52 PM
I was looking into TT a little more and I think they look oh whats the word.... easy? My ds is finishing up 2nd grade Horizins MAth and the 5th grade TT doesnt look that much more advanced than what he's doing now. I think if their 4th grade curriculum was out now he could go right from 2nd grade Horizons to 4th Grade TT.
Has anyone else noticed this?

Jackie
01-25-2008, 05:46 AM
I agree with you, Lisa. I wouldn't feel right selling it, knowing there might be a problem. I wonder what the company would say if someone called and said they had bought the program (legally) from a previous owner, and could they please have the pass. Also, Carl says it probably wouldn't be hard to get a bypass code off of the internet. I wouldn't feel bad doing that when it IS legal to sell it.

Hippychick
01-25-2008, 07:45 AM
Yep that is my thought Jackie.. I have to admit this one has helped my kids alot..

If anyone knows or sees any used for sale and you are not getting it, would you please let me know? Or maybe we post it on here for others?
THANKS

dawninns
01-25-2008, 08:45 AM
I have a question for you guys. Does TT require an internet connection or does it access the internet during an installation?

Hippychick
01-25-2008, 09:17 AM
By my understanding for Pre-Algebra and up you do not need the interenet? But for 5-7th it does say
"Finally, you must have a high-speed internet connection to download the samples in a reasonable amount of time"

I could be wrong?????

Jackie
01-25-2008, 10:28 AM
What level, Lisa? I've seen pre-Algebra and Algebra I, while looking for my Algebra II.

You do NOT need any internet connection for the Geometry. I assume that's true for ALL CD's from pre-Algebra up.

Hippychick
01-25-2008, 10:34 AM
Jackie,
I am looking for levels 5,6,7 and Alegebra 1 for sure.. If the price is right I would get Algebra 2..
Thanks

dawninns
01-25-2008, 10:44 AM
By my understanding for Pre-Algebra and up you do not need the interenet? But for 5-7th it does say
"Finally, you must have a high-speed internet connection to download the samples in a reasonable amount of time"

I could be wrong?????

I think that's simply for viewing the sample lessons and nothing to do with the actual courses.

My thinking is that the only way they could limit installs is by having the program access their site during the installs, maybe during registration. It can't be something on the CD ROM because there can be no change to the CD ROM as it can't be written to. It can't be something installed on the computer because we're talking about new computers.

The most likely thing is that during every install the program accesses the internet and send some marker to the TT site saying it's been installed on a certain computer and asking for permission to install again. This could be attached to your registration information (I'm assuming that you register the software online when you install?).

If you're re-installing on the same computer, it's probably already installed a marker there (in a database called the registry) that gives it permission to reinstall. This makes me think that if your computer crashed and your had to reinstall Windows ( a process that would change the registry and eliminate all entries that weren't essential to Windows), that would count as an install on a new computer.

Either way, if this is how they're doing it, it riles me up. This is basically spyware. They're installing something that's either connecting to the internet without your knowledge or piggybacking information on what you think is simply registration without your knowledge.

And they're still taking away from your right to resell.

Jackie
01-25-2008, 10:54 AM
Yes, re-installing on a crashed computer counts as a new install. They did say that when I called.

Lisa, check out www.homeschoolclassifieds.com I've also been looking at Vegsource. I wouldn't worry about getting Algebra II. That's what I'm looking for, and it's hard to come by. I do have an e-mail in to someone, but I've not heard back, and I had difficulty sending the e-mail to her in the first place. So I'm not sure she ever got it.

dawninns
01-25-2008, 10:58 AM
That makes me wonder if you could get around it simply by turing off internet access when installing and using the program?

sixcloar
01-25-2008, 12:16 PM
I'm looking for TT 7 if anyones sees that. I'd probably get Pre-Algebra, too, if I found a good deal on it.

I agree with you ladies about selling it. I wouldn't sell it if I wasn't sure the next person could use it. Unfortunately, there are those out there who would, which makes buying used if-y. I can sort of reason out buying it new, since all 4 of my kids could use it.

Deena
01-25-2008, 02:52 PM
I'm looking for TT 7 if anyones sees that. I'd probably get Pre-Algebra, too, if I found a good deal on it.

I agree with you ladies about selling it. I wouldn't sell it if I wasn't sure the next person could use it. Unfortunately, there are those out there who would, which makes buying used if-y. I can sort of reason out buying it new, since all 4 of my kids could use it.Pam, My dd is using the TT Pre-Algebra right now. She's 10, so I'm not pushing her to finish it this year, but I think she'll be done by sometime in the summer. I don't have a younger one to use it on, so I'd be willing to sell it to you when I'm done if we know about the re-installing stuff enough for you to be okay with buying it!

Hippychick
01-25-2008, 02:57 PM
Thanks Jackie, I will keep my eye on here. I also posted on the homeschoolclassifieds WTB board..
Lisa

Jackie
01-25-2008, 03:00 PM
I've also seen TT-7, but if I were you, I'd rather buy it from Deena!

Oh, and the second TT Algebra II was gone, too! Sigh.....

Hippychick
01-25-2008, 03:07 PM
I'll keep a watch for you!!
THANKS

sixcloar
01-25-2008, 04:01 PM
Pam, My dd is using the TT Pre-Algebra right now. She's 10, so I'm not pushing her to finish it this year, but I think she'll be done by sometime in the summer. I don't have a younger one to use it on, so I'd be willing to sell it to you when I'm done if we know about the re-installing stuff enough for you to be okay with buying it!
Deena, I'd love to buy it from you! So, your dd did the Pre-Algebra this year? My ds is 11 (6th) and in Saxon 76 right now. Math is NOT his strong subject. We've actually backed up once this year. I was planning to do Saxon 87 with him instead of the Algebra 1/2. When I discovered TT, I thought it might be a better fit for him. He's very smart, but sometimes I think he just doesn't get MY way!

I think I'll print out the placement test and see where he stands. I'd certainly rather get the Pre-Algebra if that's what he's ready for. I can wait until this summer, if I know where it's coming from. :) I'll let you know! Thanks!!

Jackie
01-25-2008, 05:29 PM
I'd love to have Faythe do TT pre-algebra, but Carl wants me to use the same book I used with Rachael. And really, I understand it enough that I can do it. Algebra, however..... I'll be looking to buy TT Algebra for her, rather than the book I already used.

Deena
01-25-2008, 05:49 PM
Deena, I'd love to buy it from you! So, your dd did the Pre-Algebra this year? My ds is 11 (6th) and in Saxon 76 right now. Math is NOT his strong subject. We've actually backed up once this year. I was planning to do Saxon 87 with him instead of the Algebra 1/2. When I discovered TT, I thought it might be a better fit for him. He's very smart, but sometimes I think he just doesn't get MY way!

I think I'll print out the placement test and see where he stands. I'd certainly rather get the Pre-Algebra if that's what he's ready for. I can wait until this summer, if I know where it's coming from. :) I'll let you know! Thanks!!Yes, my dd is doing the TT Pre Algebra this year. She was working in Saxon 76 last year. When she did the placement test she landed 1 point away from the Pre-Algebra. As I did research on it to see which book to get, the 7th grade or the Pre Algebra, I saw that the Pre Alg. reviews for the first few chapters, so I figured I'd save myself $185 and get it, then go through it at her own pace. We spent time working on multiplication so she could do the problems faster, then worked on another math workbook I found, that gave her more detailed help with a couple of things. Then we skipped over one section she already totally knew---well, I had her review it, but not do the problems, since I could see that she understood it well. So, as I said, we're going at a comfortable pace for her, so we'll see how the rest of this year goes.

Once he takes the placement test, let me know what you want to do!

I'd love to have Faythe do TT pre-algebra, but Carl wants me to use the same book I used with Rachael. And really, I understand it enough that I can do it. Algebra, however..... I'll be looking to buy TT Algebra for her, rather than the book I already used.Well, that's understandable that he'd not want you to spend when it worked with Rachael. But Rachael and Faythe are so different! I don't know really what Phillip is like. But if you WERE to find it for a good price, I wonder if he'd go for it, since Phillip's still coming up to use it as well? At any rate, I think the TT would be a good fit for Faythe! My ds14 is doing well with it--it holds his attention well enough for him to get it, and do well!

Just some thoughts....

sixcloar
01-25-2008, 05:49 PM
Right now, there are a couple of Algebra I complete sets on ebay.

Jackie
01-25-2008, 06:00 PM
Part of me thinks TT would be a good fit for Faythe, but Faythe isn't the independent learner Rachael is. With Rachael, she knows she has to do the next math lesson each day. All I really do is ask her if she's done her math yet. Sometimes if she's having trouble with a proof, she'll ask me and I'll take a look at it. But Faythe I would really need to sit down with every day. Phillip I think will be more independent, like Rachael.

Deena
01-25-2008, 06:08 PM
Part of me thinks TT would be a good fit for Faythe, but Faythe isn't the independent learner Rachael is. With Rachael, she knows she has to do the next math lesson each day. All I really do is ask her if she's done her math yet. Sometimes if she's having trouble with a proof, she'll ask me and I'll take a look at it. But Faythe I would really need to sit down with every day. Phillip I think will be more independent, like Rachael.Yeah, I understand that. Just that, if she could understand, having TT is LIKE sitting down with you, since the guy goes over things for examples and has the step by step answers for every problem. Course, that's not MOM! ;) But maybe with you helping her this coming year, she'll be more ready for it after that.

Jackie
01-25-2008, 06:19 PM
She's just finishing up 65 this year, so I plan on her doing 75 next before putting her in Pre-Algebra. The bottom line is that she's NOT Rachael, and she doesn't learn like Rachael. Carl can be a bit of a butt-head (looking to make sure he's not looking over my shoulder, lol!) and expects everyone to learn like HIM. HE use to read math books for FUN! (Gosh, I REALLY AM married to a geek, lol!!!) And he sometimes has a hard to understanding that Faythe is wired a bit differently. So I kind of act as a buffer between them!

Deena
01-25-2008, 06:42 PM
She's just finishing up 65 this year, so I plan on her doing 75 next before putting her in Pre-Algebra. The bottom line is that she's NOT Rachael, and she doesn't learn like Rachael. Carl can be a bit of a butt-head (looking to make sure he's not looking over my shoulder, lol!) and expects everyone to learn like HIM. HE use to read math books for FUN! (Gosh, I REALLY AM married to a geek, lol!!!) And he sometimes has a hard to understanding that Faythe is wired a bit differently. So I kind of act as a buffer between them!
Hey, I'm married to a geek too! When we moved to WA State from CA, and had a new HMO, we looked over the dr.'s available. I was looking for family people, interested in obstetrics and baby care, cuz my mind was thinking about having babies! :love: We narrowed them down to about 3, and he finalized on which one. He said he picked this guy for two reasons: 1: He was the only one who openly claimed to be a Christian, which my dh appreciated. 2) He was a math major in college, that's the degree he graduated with! :lol: I'm thankful my dh is (was?) a geek and loves math---he's helped out a lot!

I think we ended up with some pretty great geeks! I met your geek, I mean dh, I thought he was very nice! :)

4kidsmom
01-25-2008, 06:55 PM
I think I'll print out the placement test and see where he stands. I'd certainly rather get the Pre-Algebra if that's what he's ready for. I can wait until this summer, if I know where it's coming from. I'll let you know! Thanks!!



What placement tests are yoy talking about? Are they from Teaching Textbooks? I have Math 7 and would like to use it for ds next year but would like a test like that for this product. Havent seen one on their web site though. Was just wondering if that was what you were talking about.

Deena
01-25-2008, 07:07 PM
What placement tests are yoy talking about? Are they from Teaching Textbooks? I have Math 7 and would like to use it for ds next year but would like a test like that for this product. Havent seen one on their web site though. Was just wondering if that was what you were talking about.I think you have to click on the level you're interested in. So on the homepage click on Math 7, when it gets there, it should be showing a picture of the book. Under that picture of the book there should be a link to click on that says Placement Test.

Try that and see if it works.

4kidsmom
01-25-2008, 07:18 PM
I found it. It was right there:oops:...... Yes Im blond LOL Thank you:)

Hippychick
01-25-2008, 07:56 PM
You know I was looking on ebay and only came up with one. Then I realized I was not adding the S and the end..OOPS!!

Earthy
01-26-2008, 12:47 PM
There is nothing to install on my stuff.

I wonder if it's just certain grade levels??

btw I didn't read all the posts, just yours;)

I am currently looking for Teaching Textbooks Algebra II for Rachael next year. While searching, I came across a post on some board somewhere that says you can only install it TWO TIMES. In other words, I buy it new and install it on my machine and use it. The next year, I sell/give it to a friend who then installs it on HER machine and uses it. But when she sells it to a THIRD person, it WILL NOT install on that machne! The post said that you can call in requesting some code, but ONLY if you can prove you bought it from the company to begin with.

Now, I don't know if this is true, but it REALLY bothers me! First of all, it means I cannot buy it used, just in case I'm not buying from an original user. And, what's more, I don't think it's any of their business if we sell/give away a product we're done using!

So has anyone else heard this, or have any idea how to find out if it's true?

countrykids
01-26-2008, 12:59 PM
So far, the install limit is on math 5, 6, and the new copies of math 7. When you install these on your computer, you cannot use the program until it is activated. The program gives you a choice: internet or by phone. If you choose internet, the program will automatically connect you to the activation page where you input the serial number from the back of your set of cd's.
For those who have the original version of math 7, when you send the cd's in for the update (the original has LOTS of errors) you will get the new set with install limits.
You can install on two different computers, and for an unlimited number of times on one computer.
Hope that helps.

I, too, think this stinks, since the program is so expensive. I am not sure we will use every level at that price since we probably cannot re-sell.
Kim

TeachingText
06-04-2009, 01:43 PM
I just wanted to set the record straight. There is no limit to how many times you can use Teaching Textbooks. Especially with the upper levels (Pre-Algebra and up). The upper levels do not require an installation, and therefore do not require registration and can be used over and over again without interruption.
The lower levels (Math 7 and below) do require an installation and registration. When these lower levels are sent out, they are sent out to allow for 2 seperate computer installations. That does not mean you are limited to it. It is done that way to protect from piracy. What will happen if you go beyond the 2 installs is that you will get a message that says something like "You have exceeded the allowable limit..." and to give Teaching Textbooks a call at the number listed. Once you call in they can update your serial number to allow for any additional installations that you might need. If you buy it used, just give Teaching Textbooks a call and they can reset the serial number for your use, and you will start over with 2 new installs.

TeacherMom
06-04-2009, 02:57 PM
CooL! thanks!

dawninns
06-04-2009, 08:11 PM
Thanks for that information!

goodnsimple
06-05-2009, 08:42 AM
I think it is reasonable, if you develop a product or write a book, that you get paid for it.
On the other hand...I love cheap used books.
I bought a statistics program that I had to call to get installed...It was new, or at least looked new, sealed and all. But there was one install "left" out of two allowed, but the company did not ask for any proof of who, where and why I bought it. They just gave me the code.

I plan on using TT for Algebra and for both boys, it is good to know that the upper ones don't have a limit.

ruben1234
06-25-2012, 02:27 PM
I called them it was really easy ,no questions asked . The said it was merely for security reasons and they added two more instalations which now gives me three more uses. All they needed was my serial number on the back of cd folder . took like 1 minnute !;)

kbabe1968
06-25-2012, 05:13 PM
Teaching textbooks WILL give you a new code without question. If you have the S/N on the back of the packaging they will give it to you. If you're installing on a machine that has internet, you can log it on that way, too....it will give you an install code.

TT is VERY VERY sharing friendly. I've NEVER had a problem, and I've ALWAYS borrowed someone else's CD's. They are very pro-sharing, reselling, etc.

sloan127
06-26-2012, 07:33 AM
Thanks for this info. A lady wants to know about my cd sets for 6 and 7 but I wasn't sure I could sell them. This helps.